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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-08-26 07:04 pm

[ SECRET POST #3157 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3157 ⌋

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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2015-08-27 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
WTF, yourself.

It doesn't matter what they would write. Someone whose accent Mary/merry/marry or pen/pin would think think them all the same way as they would speak them. (And how do I know this? Mary/merry/marry are homophones in my accent, and, guess what, I can spell them all properly, but I sure would be thinking [mɜri] for all three of them.)

And, yes, this offends me because it's part of the privileging of prestige accents by acting like any other accent is a put on that doesn't actually reflect the way the person was taught to speak. 'Oh, no, they know that "pen" is pronounced [pɜn], not [pɪn], they're just being too lazy to pronounce it right.' Or 'they're just putting on an act' which is perhaps less offensive but even more bizarre.

You shouldn't write out accents at all, because it's offensive and unless you're using IPA, it's just going to come out as a mess that only makes sense relative to your own accent, but it's wrong, offensive, and ridiculous to pretend that people don't think in the same accent that they speak (unless they've trained themselves to use a different accent, or are code-switching).

(Anonymous) 2015-08-27 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
uh

yeah.

you're angrily completely agreeing with me while being offended for some reason. are you just not understanding what I'm saying?

(Anonymous) 2015-08-27 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
Maybes it's your accent?



;)

(Anonymous) 2015-08-27 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
i literally don't understand what they're reading in my words that they disagree with, i'm completely mind-boggled. if you could help me out id be grateful, am i just making no sense? they're repeating what i'm saying back at me angrily i dont get it

(Anonymous) 2015-08-27 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
do you disagree with my comment further down about the example in a book that agrees with you well showing spelling out the accents in thoughts is silly?
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2015-08-27 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
OK, at this point, I'm going to assume that the disconnect is that I took your specifically talking about thoughts as meaning you were fine with it being used in speech.

If that's not the case, then, yes, we agree.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-27 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
come on...

>this. there's a difference between writing out thoughts with british grammar patterns or idioms, which would be accurate, and writing out thoughts with a british accent
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2015-08-27 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
That's exactly what I mean. You specified thoughts. This implicitly excludes speech. To not exclude speech, you would write it as 'writing in accent'.