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[ SECRET POST #3159 ]
⌈ Secret Post #3159 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Knights Errant]
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[HeadOn]
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06. [SPOILERS for Tales of the Abyss]
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07. [WARNING for rape]
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08. [WARNING for sexual assault/harassment]
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09. [WARNING for child sexual abuse]
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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
(Anonymous) 2015-08-29 06:59 am (UTC)(link)I mean, yea, like you said, it's obviously the wrong choice, but the fact that he made it is sort of... Morbidly wonderful. It's thrilling because it's so unexpected. This is Hannibal's triumph, basically. He doesn't deserve one but he got it anyway, and it's kind of awesome.
It is Hannibal's triumph. He's basically Satan, and he's done horrors to every character in the show including Will, but he wins in the end. He, almost impossibly, gets what he wants. Though not that I think that means Will is a blind follower or anything, or that everything has been beaten out of him and this is what he's left with. Like we've said, Will has had darkness for a while, and whatever life he's going to have with Hannibal from now on, I can't imagine he'll be anything but an active participant. Hannibal might be getting what he wants, but Will has walked into this with his eyes waaaaaay open, and by choosing it, it means he wants it, too.
You mentioned his act in season two... But the thing is, at the end of the season he still tells Hannibal to leave. There is some of Will tied up in that act, but I guess even for him it's hard to tell how much is real and how much is fake.
I think that's it. Will's act in S2 to lure Hannibal in started to blur the lines in his own mind. Maybe because being like Hannibal was so easy for him. Will's actions in the latter part of S2 might have started as an act, but it definitely ended with him conflicted enough to want Hannibal free. But in S3, there were parts where I really felt like he was skirting darkness for real, even though he seemed to pull back each time. These were times that he was talking to other people, not Hannibal, and so it didn't make sense for it to be an act (and we had already 'been there done that' on the act), like Will's confrontations with Pazzi, or his manipulation of Chiyoh, or even his moping in Hannibal's kitchen and conversation with Alana, or admitting to Jack that he wanted to go with Hannibal.
I wonder the same thing about the bit where Will says he rejected Hannibal so Hannibal would stop running. If he didn't chase, Hannibal wouldn't run. In that moment I thought Will genuinely was so upset that he wasn't thinking of his words, but considering that he was manipulating Hannibal back then is pretty interesting.
It is interesting. I wonder how much of it was Will manipulating Hannibal at the time, and how much of it was him just throwing out a 'mic drop,' as it were. After they escaped from Mason's farm, I thought Will's words were pretty genuine. He had given up on wanting Hannibal dead, and he didn't appear to care about catching him. He just wanted him gone, and said as much. I found Hannibal then turning himself in to be a real 'fuck you' to Will. 'Don't want to think about me or know where I am? I'll show you, etc.' But if Will did that, knowing that Hannibal would turn himself in then, I'm not sure what to think. Will's phrasing of 'if I rejected you' has a romantic connotation, but only last episode did he really consider (vocally, at least) that Hannibal could be in love with him. But if he really did 100% reject Hannibal so Hannibal would turn himself in, that on some level points out Will's words about not wanting to know where Hannibal was as a lie, since the capture and trial and media around Hannibal Lecter were bound to be everywhere one looked for a while, not to mention the fact that Will would definitely always know where he was, which means that he did, even subconsciously, intend to go find him again at some point.
They really were impressive as hell with Dolarhyde. They worked together in harmony to take him down, and this looked like a spur of the moment thing. They couldn't have know exactly what would happen, they just ran with it. If Will and Hannibal had time to prepare? Fuck.
Yeah. They just function as a unit, even when there's no time for planning, or even thinking. They were moving as one, almost on instinct, in perfect unison deadly with each other.
but I wanted to say it's been nice talking you, anon! I was hoping someone would want to discuss this in depth, and here you were; it was perfect timing.
Ditto! I am still waiting for the rest of the (American) internet to see the episode, but I just had to talk about it somewhere!
Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
Exactly! There would be no reason for Will to play up his desire to go with Hannibal or his frankly disturbing longing for him to others; it just made him look more mad and screwed up. He could've tried to forget Hannibal, but instead his first instinct was to chase him, and try to understand him. He became too tied up in Hannibal.
Being a shipper I admit the love comment came to mind; if Will was aware of how much a rejection would hurt Hannibal, how the hell didn't he realize Hannibal was in love with him? Hannibal's feelings for him are so fucked up and complex though... Maybe he never put a name to it. (That is, if you consider Bedelia to be correct. I personally think she is, even if Hannibal's idea of love is obviously an entirely different sort than the rest of humanity's, lol.) I think the idea that Will was so tired and done at that point that he wanted to throw in the towel holds some weight. Even feeling like that, I think it's possible that he truly didn't wish to lose sight of Hannibal forever, even if he wouldn't admit such a thing, so Hannibal turning himself in solved several of his problems.
They were so brutal! Predators, the both of them. For Hannibal that's nothing new, but the extent of Will's involvement just highlights how far he's come.
Me too, yea! Hopefully we'll even have some secrets about it soon. I can't wait to see everyone's reactions.
Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
(Anonymous) 2015-08-29 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)Some people still believe Will was trying to kill Hannibal and that if the two survive he'll go back to trying to kill Hannibal or reject his feelings, but that's not the vibe I got from Will.
I agree that he was trying to kill Hannibal, kill them both. But I don't think there's any coming back from going over that cliff for Will. I think Will went over the cliff because he had accepted Hannibal's feelings, as well as his own. And I just think that after that, after they survived, Will was just done, and just gave into it. I think there was no coming back from killing Dolarhyde for Will.
He could've tried to forget Hannibal, but instead his first instinct was to chase him, and try to understand him.
And Hannibal definitely knew Will would show up in Europe at some point, knew Will would come after him.
I think it's possible that he truly didn't wish to lose sight of Hannibal forever, even if he wouldn't admit such a thing, so Hannibal turning himself in solved several of his problems.
Yeah. Basically, ever since the season 2 finale, Will can't decide whether he wants to kiss Hannibal or kill him (even if you don't take 'kiss' literally here). He can never seem to fully commit to either, and knowing what I know now, S3 will be fun to rewatch as I pay attention to Will's continual shifts. Because he swings back and forth a lot, which was actually a complaint I had earlier in the season, but knowing how much he was fighting inside himself, it now makes a lot more sense.
Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
That would surely be in character for Will (and would parallel with the "Can't live with him, can't live without him" line) but I think I'm so far gone for the idea of dark!Will that I actually want to believe Will wanted to live. Like, intellectually he knew Hannibal was an absolute monster, and what he was beginning to enjoy was going to set him on the same path, but he embraced it. Even if he did want to kill them both though, the fact that he surely survives (I'm sticking to that, lol) and will follow Hannibal thereafter makes me perversely happy.
God, the 'heart' scene. (Where Hannibal leaves Will that 'valentine'.) Hannibal is such a drama queen.
Because he swings back and forth a lot, which was actually a complaint I had earlier in the season
I know this can be frustrating, but that's one of the things I've liked best about Hannibal and Will's relationship. Will has such incredible difficulty accepting that he feels the way he does about Hannibal (however you interpret that; he's obviously close to him, fascinated by him and I'd dare say he's even smitten with him) and it's delicious. Fucked up, but delicious. (Because Will know better but can't help it.)
Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
(Anonymous) 2015-08-29 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)but I think I'm so far gone for the idea of dark!Will that I actually want to believe Will wanted to live
Maybe Will was unsure what he wanted. Maybe before they went over the cliff, he thought something like 'one way or the other, this is it.' If he died, fine. If he survived, fine. But it would be the death of 'good Will' no matter what. That would be a very Hannibal thing to do (like flipping a coin on whether to revive Bella or not). Take a plunge and embrace whatever the result is: death or rebirth.
Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]