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[ SECRET POST #3159 ]
⌈ Secret Post #3159 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Knights Errant]
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[HeadOn]
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06. [SPOILERS for Tales of the Abyss]
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07. [WARNING for rape]
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08. [WARNING for sexual assault/harassment]
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09. [WARNING for child sexual abuse]
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Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
Hannibal killing Abigail...I think it was part to spite Will after he'd been rejected (Like, "Well, you say you've changed me, look at how much I've changed")
Yeah, it was definitely a punishment for Will.
(He's this happy to see Hannibal after all Hannibal has done to him. To have heart eyes after all that...idk, it doesn't feel in the least bit platonic to me.)
I still can't believe Will is so HAPPY in that scene, lol. But I'll have to pay attention to Will's feelings for Hannibal in my S2 rewatch. I think there's something there, but I think he's repressing it so much that he'd deny it's anything other than deep friendship. Not because Hannibal is a man, necessarily, but because Hannibal is evil and wanting anything to do with him is bad. Bad enough that Will can't stay away when they're 'friends,' but what would it say of Will if Will was actually in love with such a person? I think that's the main thing he's struggling with. And I think it might not be something he even realizes until after the S2 finale, when he has so much time to think and process and think of what might have been. But thinking of dark Will, how about that scene where he imagines the two of them killing Jack? I mean, that's not even wishing he'd run away with Hannibal, that's daydreaming about the murder of his boss/friend.
Hannibal repeatedly uses the word love in conversations concerning Will. Even if he's not flat out saying, "I love you Will Graham", he might as well be.
Yep. Add that to the list of reasons why this show is the opposite of queerbaiting. Nothing jokey or to interpretation, just a guy 100% secure in himself discussing love like it's no big deal.
Great, I'm already listening to Hannibal podcasts and now I have another to add to the list!
I assume you've found A Matter of Taste?
Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
Absolutely, yea. Hannibal is not that interested with 'normal' people, it takes something special to draw his gaze. Will is unique in so many ways (What you said about Will being able to see clearer than others, and the fact that he can get inside the killers head and understand what they're going through...Hannibal has never known anyone like him; he's a unicorn) and that's what makes Hannibal look at him and go, "Huh, this guy is different."
he doesn't seem to have that much affection for other killers just because they're killers
Right, that's true. He might have a shallow curiosity, but those people are nothing beyond a momentary distraction. He doesn't care about them in any deep or meaningful way; he just acknowledges they share something vaguely in common.
I still can't believe Will is so HAPPY in that scene, lol.
The language in that scene is so flowery, too. You can't help but read into it, because this isn't some simple, "Hello, I'm going to attempt to kill you now." Will is relieved to see Hannibal, he's been wanting to see Hannibal, he wants to understand Hannibal and he practically drinks in the sight of him. Whatever Will might say (Like his "Good? No" when Hannibal asks, "Was it good to see me?"
Though honestly, I mean, good isn't really the appropriate word because again, Hannibal is FAR from good for Will, but that doesn't mean Will doesn't enjoy it regardless), he truly does have a lot of complex feelings regarding Hannibal, and not all of them are negative ones. He knows they should be so he's ashamed of them ("What kind of person falls in love with the devil?" etc), but you can't control how you feel. (Or who you fall in love with, as Hannibal says.)But thinking of dark Will, how about that scene where he imagines the two of them killing Jack? I mean, that's not even wishing he'd run away with Hannibal, that's daydreaming about the murder of his boss/friend.
I feel like some people might write that off as Will fantasizing about killing Jack because that's what Hannibal wants, and he can't seem to help seeing what Hannibal wants and does even back when such thoughts disgusted him. However, I believe by the end of s2 Will has changed a good deal; he's becoming more like Hannibal, with him repeating Hannibal's "I wanted to see what would happen". Part of Will is curious as to what killing Jack with Hannibal would be like. It doesn't mean he wants to do it, but something about the thought intrigues him, I think. (Which is another reason he wants it all to end at the end of s2, and I imagine at the end of s3 as well; he's tired of feeling torn in two.)
I assume you've found A Matter of Taste?
I did, yes, and I adore it! A Matter of Taste and Eat The Rudecast are my favorites. I especially like how Eat the Rudecast breaks down the episodes and though they have some fun with it, they still take the show very seriously and aren't afraid to talk about all the small details and hidden meanings. A Matter of Taste is great too though, and I never get tired of their jokes on Hannibal/Will. (Again, though those jokes are good natured and they still take the relationship itself seriously.) I'm pretty new to podcasts (I love Welcome to Night Vale, but don't have much experience with them other than that), and though I like the idea of discussing a show in-depth like this, most shows just don't have this much to dissect. Hannibal....you could spend a few months watching the episodes and picking them apart.
Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
Will is relieved to see Hannibal, he's been wanting to see Hannibal, he wants to understand Hannibal and he practically drinks in the sight of him.
The scene really does read like long-parted lovers. It's all very understated, but it's like this epic reunion.
Though I still have to wonder at what Will's plan was afterward. Stab Hannibal on street? Where there are like witnesses? Then what?
Part of Will is curious as to what killing Jack with Hannibal would be like. It doesn't mean he wants to do it, but something about the thought intrigues him, I think.
And I think Will is just analyzing what went down in 2x13 to death. He's regretted the decision he made as well as regretting the ones he had available to him. He already knows how badly what happened turned out, so I think he's flirting with the idea of would it really have been so bad for things to have gone another way.
I'm pretty new to podcasts (I love Welcome to Night Vale, but don't have much experience with them other than that
Ha, me too! I just have a hard time getting into things for listening to. I tried WtNV and liked it, and I ended up finding TV show podcasts simply because I was desperate to hear other people's post episode thoughts.
Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
Murder IS a binding force.
It's all very understated, but it's like this epic reunion.
There are few reunions that have satisfied me in the same way. It was better than I could've hoped for. (And infinitely more touching than I could've hoped, given...well, everything.)
Where there are like witnesses? Then what?
God knows with Will, really. Maybe he assumed that Jack would eventually find them, but...Hannibal definitely would have plenty of time to kill him by that point. (Maybe, again, he didn't care?)
He already knows how badly what happened turned out, so I think he's flirting with the idea of would it really have been so bad for things to have gone another way.
Well, he does have that conversation with himself about infinite universes, and "If everything that can happen happens, then you can never really do the wrong thing." He seems to be longing for the idea that things could've been different, even as he knows that some of the things he wants are wrong. "The wrong thing being the right thing to do was too ugly a thought." It's interesting rewatching that scene because Abigail (which of course is truly Will's own thoughts) says, "He was supposed to take me with him." Then Will asks 'Abigail' "After everything he's done, you'd still go to him?" He does, too! So yea, I think Will went through a whole lot of regret and his feelings for Hannibal are more conflicted than ever. He's battling with what he knows he should feel and how he actually feels.
WTNV was a first for me! I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it too. Are there any other podcasts you listen to, other than Hannibal ones? (We might not share the same fandoms, idk, but I'm open to suggestions if we do!)
Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
Or ramen.
He seems to be longing for the idea that things could've been different, even as he knows that some of the things he wants are wrong. "The wrong thing being the right thing to do was too ugly a thought."
That episode is totally going to change on rewatch, given that we know that anything he says to Abigail is just part of his own mind hashing things out. It's like Abigail is the pro-Hannibal part of his mind, and he's arguing with it, but then even HE starts coming around.
Are there any other podcasts you listen to, other than Hannibal ones? (We might not share the same fandoms, idk, but I'm open to suggestions if we do!)
I started listening to Made of Fail and Anglo-Filles, which are general fandom podcasts, but that's it. At least Anglo-Filles had one episode discussing Hannibal at some point.
Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
That episode is totally going to change on rewatch
Oh yes, it adds so many layers to the whole Hannibal/Will relationship, and Will's own feelings on their relationship. (Which are surprisingly...I don't want to say positive, but forgiving and full of longing considering all that Hannibal has put him through.)
"He was my friend." Like...WHY?! He played you like a fiddle Will, he hurt you in unspeakable ways, and yet Will still sees him as someone who cares about. It's almost impossible to comprehend the bond those two have, or why Will would still hold any fondness for Hannibal after the events that transpired. (But again, Will is a unicorn; he doesn't always make sense, neither do most people's emotions. Plus...empathy. Maybe he appreciates that Hannibal took such an interest in him, even as he wishes that interest had been less...er, violent, manipulative and abusive, lol.)
It's like Abigail is the pro-Hannibal part of his mind, and he's arguing with it, but then even HE starts coming around.
I think by that point it's possible that the 'pro-Hannibal' part of his mind was expanding. He seems more for him than against him, but the rest of him is still causing conflict.
Thanks! I will look into them.