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[ SECRET POST #3159 ]
⌈ Secret Post #3159 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Knights Errant]
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[HeadOn]
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06. [SPOILERS for Tales of the Abyss]
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07. [WARNING for rape]
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08. [WARNING for sexual assault/harassment]
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09. [WARNING for child sexual abuse]
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Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
What I like about that moment, and this is something I only noticed after my first time seeing that scene, is that Hannibal is actually crying. There's actually a tear rolling down his face when he bends over Will and tells him to "Close your eyes and wade into the quiet of the stream". He didn't want Will to die, it broke his heart to see him hurt, but Hannibal felt it was necessary. (And if you take Will's thoughts in S3 to be fact, then Hannibal wasn't actually trying to kill him, he only wanted him injured. Doesn't make it any less wrong and horrible, but since Will wasn't coming with him...it kind of works out in a fucked up way. No one can say that Will just 'allowed' Hannibal to escape since Hannibal attacked Will too, haha. So many layers to this show.)
God, they're so (beautifully) fucked up.
That's the other thing, about Will's becoming--he's getting a lot less emotional, a lot cooler about everything, having non-reactions if you will.
IA, the longer all this goes on the colder Will becomes. The easier it becomes for him to distance himself from the pain and shock and disgust.
He probably would have stayed torn and wouldn't have had his becoming.
I think you're right, but I am curious as to how he would've dealt with Hannibal. Would he have allowed Hannibal to escape? That's what I think would end up happening, even if he held the gun on him... I don't think he would've shot him knowing that Jack didn't want him back in jail, he was going to need to die for a permanent solution, and I don't think he could kill him. (And have to live with it. In the finale...well, he doesn't even plan on living with it, and if he does, well, they're together.)
I really am going to pay attention on the rewatch of S2 exactly when Will becomes so jaded and just cool with the idea of murder that would have upset him greatly in S1.
Please do! I noticed on my rewatch that his pendulum doesn't even appear until the third episode, and he just seems generally more angry, bitter and distant to the idea of murder. (Until it becomes 'personal' with Katz and Abigail.) The way he deals with saber-tooth guy in s2 is disturbing too.
Follow me if you like, but I generally don't follow back.
That's fine! I am wayyyyyyy multifandom so I wouldn't begrudge you of that; I go through moods, and if you're a Hannibal blog it wouldn't make sense for you to follow me.
I will!
I think some psychological chess is still on the board, but not so much the really and truly fucking with each other.
Certainly! They feel beyond that now. Especially if Will is going to travel with Hannibal now (no matter the extent of Will's 'participation'), I feel like Hannibal would try to encourage Will, not threaten him. They understand each other now.
about a place being made for Abigail in the world meant that Hannibal manipulated Mason into getting rid of Margo and Will's child solely so that he could direct any parental feelings of Will's toward Abigail
Okay, what the fuck. Hannibal totally would do that, though I took the line to mean, "I saved Abigail for you; she no longer has to worry about the legal consequences of her actions, and we can leave and be a family now without worrying too much about our past lives catching up with us." (Well, that's what he DID want...before Will dumped him, lol.)
Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
There's actually a tear rolling down his face when he bends over Will and tells him to "Close your eyes and wade into the quiet of the stream". He didn't want Will to die, it broke his heart to see him hurt, but Hannibal felt it was necessary.
It's like his heart is actually breaking in this moment, but he still reacts like Hannibal, and the only option is violence. Though I do kind of agree that he didn't 100% intend Will to die. If he'd wanted Will dead in that moment, he would have slit his throat or cut out his heart to take with him. But, doing what Hannibal did, he also had to know there was a chance Will would die. What he did was in no way just a flesh wound. He only wanted Will sort of dead, lol. Even in that moment, he didn't do all he could have. I feel like Chilton's line is an excellent summary: "Will Graham is alive because Hannibal Lecter likes him that way."
(And have to live with it. In the finale...well, he doesn't even plan on living with it, and if he does, well, they're together.)
I saw something from either Hugh Dancy or Bryan Fuller (ugh, and I can't remember or find it again!) that said that Will was trying to kill them both because he knew there was no place left with humanity for him after that. Which totally fits into my headcanon of Will taking the plunge and then when it didn't result in death, just going with it (and not say, trying to kill himself or Hannibal again).
Especially if Will is going to travel with Hannibal now (no matter the extent of Will's 'participation'), I feel like Hannibal would try to encourage Will, not threaten him. They understand each other now.
I certainly hope so! Surely we are over the 'trying to kill each other' phase. I mean, I feel like that's too shipper-goggles on one hand (going back to the 'but he would never ~hurt Will' thing that turned out to be so so false), because after all the horrible things Hannibal has done, what makes me think that he's going to stop being horrible now? OTOH, if all his horribleness has been to get Will to this point, to 'see' the truth, and Will is finally here, well, job well done, Hanni. Now that Hannibal finally has what he wants, a Will who is a killer and a Will who is with him, surely he wouldn't want to fuck that up.
Re: Anyone seen the Hannibal finale? [spoilers obviously]
I say this every time I get into a new fandom. For a couple of months my followers probably hate the spam, lol.
But I mainly treat my Tumblr like a collection of images I want to have, instead of anything social, lol.
That's how I've always treated it too. Discussing anything on tumblr is too complicated. That and there are so many people on tumblr that singling out someone for a discussion is almost nerve-wracking for me. It's much easier to find people in an old school community.
I feel like Chilton's line is an excellent summary: "Will Graham is alive because Hannibal Lecter likes him that way."
Exactly! That's a great line. (It explains so much.) It makes sense that Hannibal doesn't actually want Will dead, but he still wants to hurt him in a major, significant way, and even though it's entirely possible that doing so might end up killing Will, he can't let him get away without payback.
because he knew there was no place left with humanity for him after that.
So Will recognized that there was no turning back beyond that point, but he still had enough goodness in him to want to stop himself (and Hannibal) before they could 'burn everything down'. It's perfect!
I mean, I feel like that's too shipper-goggles on one hand (going back to the 'but he would never ~hurt Will' thing that turned out to be so so false)
I don't even see it as shipper-goggles because I shipped them even when they were trying to kill each other, lmao, but I think it comes back to what you said about 'Been there, done that'. There's just no need for it anymore. Will should have some struggle, but if the struggle was going to be, "Hannibal and Will constantly trying to kill each other" I would want to throw my hands up and walk away because we do not need that kind of repetition. (And, again, I feel like their personal development should have moved beyond that.) Will should have moved past that now; let's not see the same Will, let's explore the different aspects of the man now that he's finally 'unlocked' them and admitted they exist.