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See, the thing is, I don't hate any of the OT characters but I feel like they get a pass on so much that the prequel characters don't. And it often comes across like I'm bashing them but I'm NOT. I just want to point out that they're not as perfect as the fandom likes to portray them as.

Like, I completely recognize that what Anakin did at the Tusken camp was 100% wrong. But it's so insanely traumatizing that I can't help but feel that at least mitigates some of his culpability. Is there any one of us who can say with 100% certainty that if someone we loved was tortured to death that we wouldn't lose our shit?

And what's worse, for me, is that Anakin DOES do what he's supposed to do -- he confides in someone he trusts, someone in authority -- but that person is Palpatine. Anakin told a person in power/authority about what he had done and I'm sure that Palpatine reassured him and used that to his own ends.

I just feel like people try to paint Anakin as a monster for it -- and while I agree that it was a monstrous act, I don't think it's beyond the realm of how an ordinary person might react to such utterly horrific circumstances.

I agree with you. I think people take that incident out of context. I love most Star Wars characters and all of the movies. I love the universe. I'm a bit meh on bounty hunters, but I can't think of a character I actively hate. And I genuinely don't get the prequel hate in the extremes that it exists in or that people speak about these movies being bad as if it were objective fact.

Part of the tragedy of Anakin is that he trusts the wrong person and that he has these two influences in his life (Obi-Wan and Anakin) and that Obi-Wan kind of screws up and is not the best mentor he could be. Not that this justifies everything, but it is all part of the context. Obi-Wan knows he screwed up, he even says so in the OT that people idolize so much.

That's another thing that frustrates me -- while I completely agree that Anakin's actions are 100% his own and that they aren't Obi-Wan's responsibility, I DO think the fact that Anakin and Obi-Wan's relationship was so bad is mostly Obi-Wan's fault (with some on Palpatine and a little on Qui-Gon).

Anakin was 9 years old when they met. And the fact that Anakin can't go to Obi-Wan for things -- that's not Anakin's fault. And yet when people start bashing Anakin for how his relationship with Obi-Wan turned out, it makes me angry.

There's a reason Anakin turned to Palpatine -- and poor Obi-Wan couldn't have known he was a Sith Lord but it's clear that he was okay with Anakin going to see Palps to fill that gap in his life.

I don't expect Obi-Wan to be perfect but I get tired of seeing Anakin blamed for this. Fandom never wants to hear of it though because Anakin is "an annoying brat."

Yes, completely agreed. Obi-Wan is one of my favorite Star Wars characters, but I love him because he's complicated. I think it is part of the nostalgia goggles that people don't want to hate on him for anything, but the funny thing is he even admits that he wasn't ready to be a teacher or mentor in the OT (although in ROTJ which some extreme haters tend to lump in with the prequels and claim only the first two are good).

Yeah, I love Obi-Wan too. He's a wonderfully three-dimensional character and Ewan really, really leant him great depth and complexity.

But the people who elevate him to saint-like levels really get on my nerves. I'm not the type to blame him for Anakin's actions because Anakin himself hid a lot of stuff from Obi and, at the end of the day, Obi-Wan is NOT responsible for another person's actions.

But there is a tendency to go "Oh, poor put-upon Obi-Wan having to deal with bratty little Anakin" and it kind of pisses me off because Anakin in The Phantom Menace was a sweet little boy who wanted to help people. And Obi-Wan basically RAISED him. If Anakin's being a little shit to him…well…guess who's to blame?

I'm not the type to blame him for Anakin's actions ... Obi-Wan is NOT responsible for another person's actions.

If Anakin's being a little shit to him…well…guess who's to blame?

To HIM being the key words.

Like I said…I don't blame Obi-Wan for Anakin's actions -- but I do blame him for having a bad relationship with Anakin.

Obi-Wan isn't responsible for Anakin's turn, for the Tusken slaughter, for Anakin killing the Jedi.

But Anakin talking back to Obi-Wan? Anakin not being able to confide in Obi-Wan? That I do think is Obi-Wan's responsibility -- he was Anakin's guardian and part of being a guardian is disciplining the child in your care.

ayrt Are you a parent yourself?

No. I have a significantly younger brother though.

I have a great relationship with him because I reach out to him and call him every week. We talk about his favorite video games and school and so he comes to me with problems and issues.

My sister, on the other hand, basically completely ignores him even though she's only one year old than him.

I live hours and hours away from him. She lives less than two.

How you treat a child has a huge effect on your relationship with them. The fact that my brother has a terrible relationship with my sister is her fault. The fact that he loves me, confides in me, and trusts me is because I reach out to him and show how much I care about him. He knows he can rely on me and that I'd do anything for him.

Also, I look at Anakin and Obi-Wan's relationship similarly to how my sister hates our father -- she has good reason to and the fact that her relationship with our father is so bad is HIS fault 100%.

SA

*sorry, I should say that my sister is only one year older than me

We're both significantly older than our brother (by over a decade)

ayrt Fair enough :)

Ehhh The Clone Wars shows a much different relationship between them. I feel like Obi-Wan did pretty well with him, all things considered, and it eventually blossomed into a very strong friendship. But Anakin has always had a very ideal set of views about teh Jedi and such and I think that tainted things for him and what with Palpatine manipulating him and his world essentially turning upside down once he started training, well...Anakin was gonna have problems either way.

BUT, Obi-Wan was also very much a follower of the Jedi. So much so, that his own romantic leanings left him very conflicted and such, not to mention his attachment to Anakin and his never gotten over bitterness with Qui-Gon's death and subsequent request to train this young boy who he didn't know and didn't trust and didn't believe could be trained successfully with his already preconceived views, etc etc. Obi-Wan, is, as you said, very complicated, but I don't necessarily believe his relationship with Anakin was bad. Just that...certain personal things anakin couldn't discuss because he knew Obi-Wan would most likely have done the right thing by Jedi standards and ousted him. Or if he didn't, he'd have been even MORE conflicted, on top of his OWN feelings regarding Satine and then everything ELSE going on.

....I need to rewatch that show. Liek now. >_>

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