[ SECRET POST #3169 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3169 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/F1d1mxj.png

[(Anonymous)]

Did he confirm that is the reason?

[(Anonymous)]

Yep with IGN.

[(Anonymous)]

Meh, I wouldn't have wanted to see that, anyway. Kind of fine with it.

[(Anonymous)]

I was fine with it, biting the lips off a woman gives it a sexual abuse connotation which the show was avoiding.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait... what?

I have no idea the context, but that sounds ridiculously graphic and brutal and unnecessary, no matter if the character is a man or a woman.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a show about a cannibal. Ridiculously graphic is what it's all about. If anything it's MORE graphic than the books were.

[feotakahari]

I had a partner in a programming class who read the original book when he was supposed to be working. I looked over his shoulder a couple times, and it was literally "Then he bit Lounds' lips off and spat them on the floor," end of chapter, that's all the description you're getting. I'm not sure how that vagueness could be translated to a visual work unless you didn't show the violence at all.

[arcadiaego]

It's in the book, so it wasn't exactly unnecessary if that's what you're adapting. Hannibal is indeed ridiculous, graphic and brutal though, yes.

I'm actually much happier that they did it the way they did

[(Anonymous)]

Dolarhyde's treatment of Chilton felt VERY rapey in the scene (stripping him naked, even just the interactions) not that it happening to a man makes it less awful, but this would be even more apparent if a woman was put in his place. Considering how many female characters the show has ended up killing off or otherwise putting them in situations where they're otherwise abused, I can understand why they wouldn't feel comfortable with putting yet another woman in that position.

And I for one thought the raw vulnerability Chilton had in the scene with Dolarhyde was fucking fascinating.

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[elaminator]

And I for one thought the raw vulnerability Chilton had in the scene with Dolarhyde was fucking fascinating.

Me too! It was a completely different side of Chilton. (Not that he wasn't clearly scared of Hannibal in season two, but this was on an altogether different level. It was one of the first times in the show I've been genuinely terrified; both actors were amazing in this scene.)

Like I've said, I didn't read the books so I don't feel the need for the show to play that closely to canon, but after Freddie had been kidnapped, faked her death, etc, I think it might have felt kind of 'boring' to have her killed by Dolarhyde. (Though...uh, like others have said, Chilton has been through a lot as well, but considering how Freddie faked her death I'm kind of glad we didn't get that scene again with her.)

Chilton was kind of a dick, but wow did he not deserve that.

Re: I'm actually much happier that they did it the way they did

[(Anonymous)]

"Considering how many female characters the show has ended up killing off or otherwise putting them in situations where they're otherwise abused, I can understand why they wouldn't feel comfortable with putting yet another woman in that position."

This. I understand that the show is about a cannibal and that there will be violent acts associated with that. However, I think the first season did so much better with the treatment of the female characters overall. There were a lot of moments throughout the following seasons that ended up really disturbing me. (Above and beyond being disturbed with the fact that a cannibal is killing and eating people.)

I mean, OP, why aren't you upset that Will's fate was changed? Why is the lack of torture of Freddie more concerning than Will not ending up a "drunk in Florida now with a face that's hard to look at..." If you are so concerned with the purity of the story being told?

Re: I'm actually much happier that they did it the way they did

[(Anonymous)]

Man, now I'm not sure if I'll actually be able to stomach season three. :( I love Hannibal in all its gruesome glory, but I also really, really like their Chilton.

(Not that seeing him get tormented would be brand new, but still. DX)

Re: I'm actually much happier that they did it the way they did

[arcadiaego]

I thought it was an amazing scene (though I chickened out and closed my eyes after Dolarhyde started jumping over the sofa because nope) in that the audience sympathised with Chilton so much - he is after all a terrible person who comically awful things happen to all the time. It was a very difficult balance to get right.

[diet_poison]

...that sounds like a thing you shouldn't do to people for any reason.

But "because she's a woman" is a shit reason, yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

...that sounds like a thing you shouldn't do to people for any reason.

*Nods* Just reading that was enough to make me want to cover my own lips.

[(Anonymous)]

With Chilton in the chair, there was a touch of hilarity amid the horror, Hannibal's line especially:

"Do please tell Frederick if you see him I wish a speedy convalescence, and hope he won't be very ugly."

With Freddie, I think it just would have been depressing.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, because men feel less pain when parts of their faces are bitten off and when they are burned. So I understand.

[purpleseas]

Eh, I get what you're saying, but like others have pointed out, it would have had connotations they weren't interested in getting into. Plus I was honestly so relieved because I love her in all her awfulness and could easily see her outliving everyone, lol. They said ages ago that they were going to follow through with her death but were going to make it a little different by keeping the scene in the hospital afterwards where the other adaptations hadn't, and switching that over to Chilton, who is also lovably awful and hilarious but is more like a version of Kenny that manages to survive being gutted/shot/burned/etc., was fine with me. I was also way beyond relieved that they didn't do the whole Picasso face thing from the books with Will, and not just because he's nice to look at. He has of course been tortured every which way by now, but some things just strike me as unnecessary authorial cruelty, and I guess extreme mutilation is one. Not that I minded when they did it to Mason, because it's Mason, lol. Dude had zero redeeming qualities of any kind. And not that this particular team couldn't sell me that shit really effectively if they decided to use it in a movie or other continuation. But man, was I dreading it.

[otakugal15]

More reasons that this show sucks.

[logicbutton]

A cop-out is a decision to take the safe route when a brave one is available. Graphic violence toward women is the status quo in TV; there's nothing brave about it. I wouldn't say that showing graphic violence toward men is brave, either, but no decision to avoid something that could appear to contribute to the culture of institutionalized misogyny, especially when Lounds wasn't even a woman in the book, is a cop-out.

Besides, the scene was perfect. Raul Esparza deserves an Emmy for it.

[(Anonymous)]

Normally this would bother me but I'm okay with it in this case.

A lot of horrible things happen in Hannibal. I think there was a very fine line to walk when killing off characters. Kill too many and viewers start to lose interest in the show and the deaths and horror lose their impact. Hannibal manages to straddle the line very well.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I'm fine with that. Abuse and violence directed at women is not ok, and I think this was totally the right call.

[arcadiaego]

I thought it was mainly because they'd already pretended to set her on fire anyway?

[(Anonymous)]

It was shitty regardless because it made no sense with Chilton. God this season was such a train wreck.