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A lot of complaints about depictions of violence against women in fiction is that so much feels really misogynistic, sometimes in sexualized, objectified ways.

How about some examples of major violence that didn't feel this way to you at all?

Alien. The scene where the woman who isn't Sigourney Weaver (can't remember her name) gets taken out by the xenomorph. It didn't seem gross or objectifying to me because it was shown to be just as horrifying as the deaths of the male characters in the movie, not more or less.

Yeah, except that ... as I recall there was definite rape imagery in there. I haven't watched the movied in years, but I saw it in the theatre when it came out, and I clearly recall a sort of tentacle thing sliding up her bare legs? And when she's found there's blood on her thighs.

Ugh.

(And listen to the audio track of her being attacked. Seriously. Subliminal uh-uh-uh FTL.)

The tail creeps up her calf to grab her. She's never 'found' though - that's the last you see of her, so no - no blood on her thigh. And the alien probably, like it did to the others, shoved that barbed tail through her chest, so she was drowning in her own blood/unable to breath.

Jayzus, there was nothing 'rapey' about it.

Well, thanks for setting me straight.

I never knew I was wrong all these years.

Everything Quentin Tarantino. I've never felt like there was unnecessary sexualization in his films. Everyone gets their arms and legs cut off under perfectly equal circumstances.

Well, let's not give him too much credit. There is unnecessary sexualization in his films. It's just that instead of violence or anything, he keeps it limited to feet.

Yes, that's fair enough.

Easy solution to objectification in women of media: get more directors with extremely specific paraphilias

Feet aren't technically a paraphilia, because they're a body part and not a nonhuman object.

I think it's actually a double standard and people are just way more touchy when it comes to violence against women, so their don't notice that a lot, if not most, scenes that feature violence against men is just as objectifying.The fact that men are the majority of victims of violence in media also has to do with it - violence against women is much more rare and as such, much more noticeable.

Also, it's totally okay to think violence against men is funny and/or hot. See: All the scenes where the male protagonist gets brutally beaten/tortured and women are expressing their delight at seeing them brutalised.

I disagree.

nayrt

How come?

ariakas's comment below said it better than I could

Or when guys are kicked in the balls. Always, ALWAYS played for laughs.

I mean...there is a whole movie where part of the plot revolves around prison rape and how funny it is.

There are MULTIPLE movies like that, sadly. And TV shows. And comics.

When MRAs attack!

Oh god, just shut up. Some people like to actually engage with issues instead of finding excuses not to.

It's not, actually - there's definitely more violence against men, but it's almost never mean to be titillating or sexualized for the audience. The emphasis isn't on showing how helpless they are, either, to get a rise out of the audience over their pain. When female character are killed off in a non-sexualized, non-exploitative manner (see many of the examples given here, also the female random baddies that you kill literally hundreds of in MGS4 the same way you would any other randomly generated NPC bloke) people don't bat an eye, the same way they don't for violence against men.

I was actually on your side until I played MGS4, and saw that indeed, when all things are equal, it's completely different and doesn't bother me - or apparently anyone else, since there was zero outrage over this - at all.

I agree with you on a lot of points. Violence against men is more prevalent in media, and certainly can be just as if not more horrifying. Alternatively, there is far more "casual" violence against men that is played for laughs, or not seen as bad. Both men attacking other men, and (especially) women attacking men. Male rape is still often portrayed as hilarious, too, which is absolutely disgusting.

However, I think you're wrong that violence against men is generally "objectifying". I can only think of a small handful of scenes that maybe qualify as such - where the guy has to look sexy as he dies, or the camera runs lovingly over his body even though he's being brutalized/murdered, or he's unnecessarily naked (and hot)... On the other hand, I feel that describes most female attacks/deaths.

So the fight scene with Patricia Arquette in True Romance is a weird one because she is fighting in her underwear, and the man in the scene is certainly misogynistic, but the way she fights back is brutal and raw and completely nonsexual.

Any violence against women in Bioware games. They've been good about it at least since Viconia's lynching in Baldur's Gate 2.

Also, the death of that really cowardly lady in the movie of A Series of Unfortunate Events. You could frame the character herself as negatively gendered if you really wanted to, but her death felt like any other "cowardly" character regardless of gender.

Mad max fury road.

+1

The Vuvalini get taken out left and right and it's completely unsexualized and non-gratuitous.

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Violent scenes with female victims that don't feel misogynistic or objectifying

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