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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-09-12 03:15 pm

[ SECRET POST #3174 ]


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(Anonymous) 2015-09-12 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
And gosh darn it why do people get all up in arms when you blackie up a real actor to play a negro? #bringbackblackface

After all, it might be triggering for one of those poor savages to chose to take a role and get paid for it, lets decide that for them right away. We know better.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-12 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Here's your reply

(Anonymous) 2015-09-12 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
lol

(Anonymous) 2015-09-12 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Race and sexual orientation are two very, very different things. For one thing, sexual orientation can be fluid. People who identify as lesbian might later in their life identify as bisexual or asexual. I know several people whose ideas of their own gender and orientation has changed over their lives. Race isn't like that.

Plus, remember that white woman who claimed she was actually black? That wasn't cool. But an assigned-male-at-birth who says she's a woman is cool. They are different things.

Blackface is a thing, and a gross thing at that. Queerface isn't a thing.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-12 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, there's also the point that blackface is used and has a long and established history of being frankly and obviously racist

If we're talking about queerface as something analogous to blackface, it's not just a straight actor playing a queer part; it would have to be a straight actor taking a queer part and playing it in the most outrageously offensively stereotyped way possible.

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2015-09-12 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, minstrel shows had a 150 year run of "blockbuster" popularity all the way through the civil rights movement, almost exclusively using racist humor.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-13 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Dragqueens.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-12 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT

> For one thing, sexual orientation can be fluid.
Where I come from, most people are ethnically fluid. as in, turkish on turkish holidays (grandpa was from turkey), christian on christian holidays (Grandma from Sweden), black when they go to the hiphop place (other parent is black/native american/caucasian mixed) and so on.
So, in that respect, I don't see that much of a difference. I's not as easy as black and white in a great many cases, because not all societies are as black/white as some regions in the US.
And there are cases like Johnny Depp in Lone Ranger where 1/32th (or whatever it was) of native american roots is "not enough" while someone who had the same level of "nativeness" but looked less white might be okay. Don't get me wrong, I'm on board with Depp being a phony Indian, and that thing about the black rights activist who wasn't black was just ridiculous but in the end, who gets to decide at which level of ethnic mixedness you still count as POC?

(Anonymous) 2015-09-12 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
"Christian" is an ethnicity now?

(Anonymous) 2015-09-12 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT but there's a lot of the world where religious divisions are also along ethnic lines and so the terms get used interchangeably

So, no, but also yes

(Anonymous) 2015-09-12 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Is that the case for Swedish Christians?

(Anonymous) 2015-09-13 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
No. Some religions can also be ethnicities (Judaism, for one) but Christianity isn't.
raspberryrain: (braids)

[personal profile] raspberryrain 2015-09-13 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
I think "Christian" has probably been an "ethnic" category for a thousand years.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-13 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I was trying to avoid "white" because in europe it's not about whiteness... maybe I should have specified "european center-culture+dominant ethnicity"
raspberryrain: (roll eyes)

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[personal profile] raspberryrain 2015-09-13 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, wait, are you actually a trans* actor getting turned down for roles? Because then I understand it.

Eh, you're probably a troll.