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fandomsecrets2015-09-15 06:58 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2015-09-15 06:58 pm
[ SECRET POST #3177 ]
⌈ Secret Post #3177 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 09:21 am (UTC)(link)Yes, you can.
Slash ships usually follow the argument that based on the canon interactions between the characters they would make the best couple, but this is questionable in most of the cases.
If the slash ship is based on a platonic relationship that the slash fans insist is obviously canon romantic love, quality writing, the most healthy and that makes the most sense for the characters both in terms of other non canon ships and the canon ship (and they accuse other fans of being derlusional, blind or homophobes if they can't see it), OF COURSE the fans you are trying to convince to see the light and accept your ship as the most valid alternative to the canon one can counter argument and explain, using the same canon you are using to criticize one ship and overrate another, why your ship is flawed and you are wearing slash goggles. If people think your ship sucks the way it's in canon, how can you expect them to think they'd have the so perfect romance you say they'd have (or have, according to slash goggles in action)?
That's why you have queer people often jump in shipper wars arguments and say they don't want x slash ship to represent them because their existing canon relationship is problematic and they don't think they'd make a good healthy couple with a positive message about relationships, at all.
Your argument makes sense only if the slash fans (or fans of not canon ships in general thus het too!) are quiet, never get into shipper wars with the canon ship fans (or other fans of not canon ships), and don't display the hypocrisy others are capable of when they criticize the canon ships, and when they preach about their ship being canon all the time but want to remind that it isn't canon only when someone is criticizing it. That with the added butthurt feelings coming from the fact that maybe they are using your own arguments for other ships, against your ship too. Or worse, calling you out for criticizing x canon ship for stuff you like to see your ship get in fanworks (e.g., sour grapes)
A lot of notcanon-ships fans who ship in fandoms with a canon ship, be that het or gay couple, tend to proportionally nitpick about the canon ship the same they overrate the relationship they want to be canon, and turn a blind eye to the problematic elements that they criticize in other ships but that their ship has too, maybe even more.
This is "when het shippers complain because their canon ship gets more criticism than the noncanon slash ship"
It isn't about het vs slash either. I had been in an old fandom where the wankers where the fans of a crack het ship that insisted the canon ship was crap and problematic while their own option was the best. And yet, those characters disliked each other in canon, they didn't even have a friendship and, based on the way their personalities were developed, they were truly not compatible and would make a bad couple if they were together, unless, well, the writers changed the characters.
Those fans kept gloating about how their ship was the one that made the most sense and used canon to backup their arguments even though most of it was manipulation of canon scenes to attribute to them different purposes than that of what the writers really intended.
Nowadays slash fans I refer to at the beginning aren't that different from those het fans, and in both cases they are the ones who makes it so that their not canon ship can be criticized and, sometimes, MUST be criticized.
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)ppl trying to out anons all the while hiding behind anon themselves are one of the greatest ironies of FS and why I'm 100% pro IP logging.
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)Those were the days.. back at the fanforum when the appreciation threads for ships had the funniest passive aggressive titles against the rival ship ;)
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-17 09:08 am (UTC)(link)