[ SECRET POST #3181 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3181 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not complaining, I'm American. I'm pointing out we do it.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's a useful comment when it's so abstracted from the specifics of how the race relationships in question are influencing the conversation and how they specifically differ from the race relationships of the other country.

What specific features of the Bond conversation, in your mind, are driven by the distinctive characteristics of race in America?

[(Anonymous)]

White vs Black, the American mentality that forgets Hispanic/Latino exist unless they're Mexican and Asians more or less don't exist, as opposed to White vs NonWhite/Other. The assumption that black people are the biggest minority in Britain. The assumption that they get most of the racism directed at them.

I have no personal opinion about Bond, but all of that is relevant, if you're talking about positive representations, racism, and who is best for the role of a nonwhite Bond.

[(Anonymous)]

I completely get what you're saying, anon, and I agree. As a west coast Canadian, for example, our biggest minority group is Asians, particularly East Asians. Meanwhile, our most discriminated against minority group is First Nations. So following the seeming logic of this whole Bond debate, from a west coast Canadian's perspective Bond should either be East Asian or First Nations. But hey, Bond ISN'T Canadian! So naturally, I'm not going to argue that everybody involved in the making of the franchise should act like he is.

Yet the argument that comes up over and over again is that Bond should be Black, and I think it makes complete sense to suggest that - as you say - Americans are projecting American race relations onto other countries.


Personally, I don't particularly want to see Bond as a PoC or as a woman. To me, Bond is a white dude. What I would LOVE to see, as always, is waaay more important, complex original characters who are PoCs and/or women. But where Bond is concerned, I'm far more interested in seeing his character explored in other ways. I really like the way Craig's Bond explored Bond's grit and his ruthlessness, and the relationship between his ruthlessness and his capacity for caring. Particularly in the first two of the Craig films - the ones written by Paul Haggis, notably - I thought that Bond's character was often explored in a way that was less glorifying and more critical. Those films acknowledged him as ultimately "The Good Guy" while not necessarily taking as granted that he was actually a good person. I'm no Bond buff, so I could be wrong, but I don't think his character had ever really been adequately, non-perfunctorily, explored in that way before.

So personally, what I'd be interested in seeing in Bond's next permutation is a continued exploration of what kind of person Bond might be.