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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-09-19 03:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #3181 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3181 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2015-09-19 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually that's because the Germans had already surrendered and had been losing for a long time previously, while the Japanese were still fighting and getting lots of people killed before the US finally decided to bust out the trump card. And also Germany is land-locked and in a very different strategic position than Japan.

Not that that makes the bombing any better, but racism wasn't the reasoning, it was situational.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-19 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Didn't Japan surrender after the first bomb, but they dropped the second one anyway?

(Anonymous) 2015-09-19 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
No.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-19 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh? No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Events_of_August_7.E2.80.939

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan

(Anonymous) 2015-09-19 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Most emphatically no.

Depending on who you ask, they didn't even surrender after the second bomb. Some historians think that the IJA viewed the loss of a couple hundred civilians as no big deal, and were more concerned about the Soviets entering the war which they were not equipped to deal with and would almost certainly result in the death of the Emperor.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-19 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, Japan was absolutely willing to fight to the death as a nation. I am not in any way excusing the USA's use of the bomb (because, no), but if Japan had kept fighting the war, given the extant beliefs and propaganda available to the USA at the time, Japan would have obliterated itself, and many many many many more Americans/Europeans/others, over a much longer period of time. It was a terrible solution, and it launched the nuclear age (for better and for worse), but that's it. It happened.

Do not mistake me. The USA absolutely had a choice not to drop either Fat Man OR Little Boy. But if they hadn't, the war could have potentially had many more casualties, and never really come to a satisfactory end. Either outcome was horrific, but the USA picked what they THOUGHT would be the most short-term horrific solution; it's only in long hindsight that we've seen its long-term horrific effects, since no one had any clue about the effects of radiation poisoning etc., because they'd never created anything like this before.

TL;DR: Nukes are bad, and it happened for not-particularly-good reasons. There also weren't any good reasons/options at all.

da

(Anonymous) 2015-09-20 07:11 am (UTC)(link)
Also, Japan was absolutely willing to fight to the death as a nation

You know what "propaganda" means, right? It's still propaganda even if it's used mostly toward what is supposed to be your own countrymen.

Or in other words - That's not what the goverments records on both side say.

What really was happening was much more complicated then that.