[ SECRET POST #3183 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3183 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Wait…are we supposed to disagree?

[(Anonymous)]

See… I don't mind Erik doing bad things because the narrative seemed to be framing him as an extremist --> antagonist story which kind of implies that that needs to happen.

It's just that the movie seems to suggest that Charles is right when, really, the events seem to be supporting Erik at least as much as Charles.

Sure, they could teleport away. But is it really surprising that Erik isn't going to be content letting people who have actively tried to kill him go, given his history? This is a guy who spent over a decade hunting Nazis.

And, while I don't think it's Moira's fault completely, it just bothers me that Charles pins all the blame on Erik. It was an accident and, as far as I can tell, Moira is at least as much to blame as Erik. In the movie, it says they've only had a little while to train and before that Erik had been using his anger to control his powers.

Plus, the hundreds of people that Erik was going to kill were military personnel who had fired upon him.

Erik's not 100% right but…I don't really think that that makes Charles right either.

Re: Wait…are we supposed to disagree?

[kaijinscendre]

"In the movie, it says they've only had a little while to train and before that Erik had been using his anger to control his powers." But Erik has the stopping bullets power down. That was the whole point of the rage and serenity scene. Stopping bullets seems to be pretty easy to do for Erik, it is moving bigger stuff that requires more training.

"Plus, the hundreds of people that Erik was going to kill were military personnel who had fired upon him." Yeah, sure. Military personnel like mechanics and cooks. Erik is generalizing those people the same way that people generalize mutants being evil.

As outsiders we can go, "Duh, it is obvious he is doing that." so I don't fault Erik in not realizing he is doing that.

Neither are exactly right, but if I have to choose one to support, it is going to be the one who doesn't kill hundreds of people.

Re: Wait…are we supposed to disagree?

[(Anonymous)]

I guess I just felt like Erik acted reflexively. In Moira's defense, I think she did too.

But my problem is that while I think it's wrong for Erik to blame her for what happened to Charles, I think it's equally wrong for Charles to pin all the blame on Erik too.

As for the issue with the military personnel -- I just have a hard time blaming Erik for that. We don't call Luke Skywalker a monster for shooting at the stormtroopers after Obi-Wan died, even though he could have just left on the Falcon. Nor when he destroys the Death Star. And, I just think it's very understandable how Erik could see even the foot soldiers as responsible because it's not like the Holocaust could have happened with the support of people like them.

I guess my issue was more that it seemed like the film was framing Charles as completely right and Erik as being wrong. Maybe I'm wrong about that but that was the impression I got.

Re: Wait…are we supposed to disagree?

[kaijinscendre]

Hm, I didn't really feel that way at the end of the movie. I felt they were both idiots who did stupid stuff.

And I think Charles said that Erik was the one who did it because Erik was about kill Moira. He had to stop him somehow.