[ SECRET POST #3183 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3183 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Also when people flame and then pull the "they shouldn't have put it on the internet" argument comes off disturbingly like people trying to "teach" younger people not to share things, or they'll be ripped into.

Agreed. Anytime someone says they shouldn't put something on the internet all I can think is, "Yeah, and you didn't have to keep reading it."

I completely agree with your rant about people being dicks in general. Criticism is obviously good and valuable for writers. And no, it won't be pretty or sugarcoated. But there is a VAST difference between actual tough, honest criticism and people just being flat out jerks, and too many people do not seem to know the difference.

[dani_phantasma]

Yeah.

Also to be honest, the fact is the younger people are going to be more "oversensitive" than grown adults (I live with a 12 year old, I know this very well), and surrounding sound advice with too much snark and mockery likely to put people on the defense is honestly a dumb move on the reviewer's part. Like if you're being overtly accusatory in your criticism, that's going to get someone defensive.

Rather than complain about how people can't take a bunch of snarking and barbs about how this and that is "lol stupid" and "Mary Sue , kill it with fire", why can't people just rethink how they say things.

I think that the internet and the way people communicate on the internet is a very different set of social rules than in 'meatspace'. New writers won't be used to that, and where they're coming from a bunch of rudeness is probably shocking and offensive.

Like I'm not denying that some people can be oversensitive but when a person's first approach is very accusing and sarcastic, they'll never know if the person might be otherwise receptive if the advice were given differently.

[(Anonymous)]

Excellent point about younger people reacting differently from adults, too. And besides that, whether a 12 year old can handle the snark and rudeness well or not shouldn't even matter, because if you're an adult, shouldn't you have better things to do with your time than pick on preteens/teenagers and make them feel like shit to begin with? The 12 year old may or may not be oversensitive, but they're still more mature in the end than the supposed adult who can't seem to act their age.

You're also right that tone can be VERY tough to tell sometimes over the internet, too, and even if a person means well, and snark is just their particular way of communicating, like you said, not everyone knows that.

I know that some people have that rule that they don't say things in cyberspace they wouldn't say to someone's face, and I think that should apply to everyone's internet conduct. We may not be able to see who we're talking to, but there's still real people on the other side of the screen and they should be treated the way you'd treat anyone you interacted with in person. I don't get why that's that hard for some people to do.

[dani_phantasma]

"You're also right that tone can be VERY tough to tell sometimes over the internet, too, and even if a person means well, and snark is just their particular way of communicating, like you said, not everyone knows that. "

Hell,I misread comments online every other day. It's become a habit for me to show something to my friends and be like "am I the only one bugged by this" or "am I reading this wrong?" before replying.

I think a lot of people have gotten used to a certain amount of freedom from social rules of politeness online, and start to take it for granted.