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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-09-21 07:11 pm

[ SECRET POST #3183 ]


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(Anonymous) 2015-09-22 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with you that I don't think AoU messed up Natasha's character or made her weak or man-crazy or whatever. But I do think the writing of the movie was flawed in several ways, esp. with respect to Natasha.

But the thing is that choice was made for. That's the crux of the issue for her.
See, this is where I think the writing in the movie goes wrong. If a choice being made for her is the crux of the issue for her, why does she call herself a monster? In what world is being robbed of a choice by other people something that turns you into a monster? I feel like a lot of people are a bit obtuse to what I think is the most obvious reading of Natasha's line, which is that either her choosing to be sterilized so she can graduate or her being sterile is immediately what prompts her to suggest that SHE is a monster (although she may also be THINKING of other parts of the training or the assassin lifestyle, we have no indication of that, and she comes to the conclusion of monster after talking specifically about the graduation process and her sterilization). But there are many women who willingly go through sterilization or who cannot conceive, and none of them are monsters. And I understand that Natasha might personally still see herself as one anyway, and so I wish they would have just had another character saying, "That doesn't make you a monster," or "You're being really harsh on yourself" or something. This would have helped with the WTF reaction on the part of the audience. This is an especially touchy subject because the message that motherhood "humanizes" you or makes a woman feel "complete" is everywhere in media, and this just played into that.

Not everyone feels that way. Maybe Natasha does, and that's cool. But for her beliefs to stand in the air completely unquestioned was irresponsible on the part of the movie.