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List a fandom in the subject line, and talk about what specific things you think made that piece of media turn to mediocrity (or crap).

I feel like I've ranted about this before, but Mrs. Landingham's death at the end of S2 of West Wing.

Ugh, yes. I don't get why they had to kill her off, it was so pointless and ruined a lot of later episodes.

True, but it's not just killing her off that bothers me - not even primarily. My problem is, it completely altered the dynamic of the situation and the plot, and not for the better. It went from a situation where Bartlett had clearly fucked up and was clearly in the wrong, and what's more was dealing with it like an asshole - which I thought was really interesting and really novel for Sorkin and had a lot of room to work - and it just completely eliminated it in the least satisfactory way.

Suddenly Bartlett's the victim again and Bartlett can be self-righteous again and it's boring and it's dumb and it's cowardly. No need for any character development. No need to toy with the idea that sometimes Bartlett isn't perfect. No, instead of playing out any of those through lines and resolving them in a remotely satisfactory way, we'll just kill Mrs Landingham.

Well, the actress wanted to leave. She had another show or something coming up. They could have written her out in another way of course, maybe had her leave because she was disappointed in Bartlet.

The ITV version could've been a really nice piece of Holmesian media if it weren't for the third episode. When the series went all, "oh, btw, the explanation is that this random guy was neglected by his father and so became a homicidal maniac - oops, and now he conveniently died", I facepalmed so hard I might've broken my nose.

The book went wrong somewhere, too. Probably at the point where Barnes starts describing pissing cows and awkward erections.

Edited 2015-09-27 21:00 (UTC)

I don't think it's bad anymore or anything, but it's just... gotten really boring. It's a lot of the same-old, same-old, and while I appreciate the way overarching plots are wrapped up while still leaving some breadcrumbs to pick up on later, for other overarching plots, I think that the number of breadcrumbs is too few to justify listening to it regularly.
After a while the happenings feel so repetitive.

You can tell the writers are having fun creating weird going ons, but the level of weirdness has become so high that nothing is really weird at all. I think that early episodes benefited from the fact that Nightvale was weird but not /too/ weird - not every sentence was packed with two to three phenomena. Now, there is no normalcy to use as a gauge.

Hm... I don't really understand why I feel that it has gotten 'blah' myself, maybe somebody can help me out.

I got bored with it around episode 30 when the overarching plots became so popular. Cecil/Carlos is cool but I really just want to hear about the weird goings on. I think that might be why my favorite episode is "A Story About You".

I don't find it bad or boring and I still get a chuckle out of some of the weirdness, but I have been less excited about it lately. (I'll still happily listen to it but unless I'm super bored I'm not counting down the days till the next episode.)

I can't place my finger on why that is, but I think part of it might be, like you said, that some of the mystery is gone now. It doesn't feel like we've had any major surprises in quite a while, so maybe all Night Vale needs is something to shake it up.

TBH I think the show should move away from STREX as the big bad, at least for now. I would like the introduction of a new antagonist, something that we all scratch our heads at.

Not that it was ever a scintillating masterpiece, but season 1 of OUAT was fun. It was obvious that the writers didn't have a detailed outline for season 2, but I still watched. Introducing Hook was the beginning of the end. And killing Neal... nope. Haven't watched since. And no, I didn't ship Emma with Regina or Neal or anyone, except in a "please not Hook" way. I miss OUAT being just as much about friendships and parent-child relationships and slightly off-kilter fairytales as it was about creepy romances (because none of the couples come off well anymore) and Disney tie-ins.

+1 To this I almost brought up Once myself but I didn't know where to begin.

I think Hook/Emma and Rumple/Bell are huge issues for me in the way they present abusive relationships as true love.

I also just started getting annoyed at everyone being related and Rumple and Regina being in EVERY story (I mean they were some of my favs but I still got annoyed.)

AYRT--I still ship Belle and Rumple, but then, I haven't watched an episode since Neal died, just lurked in the Rumbelle fandom with occasional forays into SwanFireQueen as a brot3 or OT3.
I'm not sure I'd call Emma/Hook, Belle/Rumple, or Regina/Robin abusive, exactly. But I don't think any of those relationships work, not as currently written. They're all drama-fodder, and all six of the characters involved have done thoughtless or reprehensible things that are framed as romantic. And it doesn't help that I like pairings best and ship them hardest when they bring out the best in each other. I can think of ways to write all three canon pairings (and SwanQueen, and Warrior Royals, and Frozen Swan, and SwanFire, and the list goes on) in ways that bring out the best in everyone involved, instead of prepping them to star in Jerry Springer: Fairytale-Land Edition. I might even like Jerry Springer fairytales, but the show frames their big three couples as sweepingly romantic rather than desperately in need of therapy. The disconnect between what the characters do, and how their actions are framed, bothers me so fucking much.

"The disconnect between what the characters do, and how their actions are framed, bothers me so fucking much."

Everything wrong with OUAT in a nutshell.

For me, I think it started with the Wizard of Oz arc. I liked the Peter Pan arc, that was interesting... then we had Zelena and then time travel and... I haven't gotten to season 4 yet, though I want to.

I have charted a fanfic for this, now if I had more energy and wasn't doing x,y and z, maybe I'd get to work on it.

I guess this is less what made it turn to crap and more what turned me off of it, since I know people still really love it and I enjoyed-ish the finale, but: not caring one way or the other about Barry/Iris became a barrier of entry to the show, and that turned me off. I don't really ship anyone on that show, so it all becoming about Barry And Iris's Great Love That Must Come To Pass Someday turned me off.

the first three seasons were fucking great, then it sucked and I was only watching because i want to fuck Hugh Laurie.

Who DOESN'T want to fuck Hugh Laurie?!

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