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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-09-28 07:13 pm

[ SECRET POST #3190 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3190 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Angry Birds (Movie)]


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[The Great British Bake Off (series 6)]


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[Jennifer Nettles, Ronnie Dunn]


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[Free!]


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[Hannibal]


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[Jennifer Lien, who played Kes in Star Trek: Voyager]


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[BBC Robin Hood]


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(Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie/The Mirror Empire by Kameron Hurley)












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(Anonymous) 2015-09-29 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Isabela's costume made complete sense for her character, and was contrasted by two other female leads who were completely covered up. Nice slut shaming, though.

And yeah, for a world that has demons who represent the sins, having a Lust character look lusty is so offensive.
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[personal profile] darkmanifest 2015-09-29 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
It looked lusty for only people attracted to women, which certainly wasn't a universal truth in the games. If it had looked androgynous or had an alternative male model available, that would have made more sense and not been difficult to implement. Dorian said he was almost seduced by a male desire demon in DA:I, after all, but the devs preferred to just eliminate the whole concept than be fair with it for some reason.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-29 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
I agree that there should've been male desire demons, or they should've been androgynous or something. But that doesn't somehow invalidate the female desire demon concept? Not sure why they cut it completely from Inquisition but I have trouble buying it was because they'd rather cut it than implement it, especially considering how far Inquisition went to treat its male and female characters equally.
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[personal profile] darkmanifest 2015-09-29 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
I also doubt they cut it because "lol we hate equality", but it's definitely been cut for some reason that's unlikely to be limited resources or that everybody simultaneously forgot, and I can't come up with a logical explanation for it other than "we realized it was one-sided and shelved the whole thing than go to the trouble of redesign". I just remembered a male desire demon does appear in DA:I, with lines and everything, and he turns into a pride, rage, and fear demon during the boss fight with him...but never a sexy male desire demon. That seems like pretty deliberate avoidance to me.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-29 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
lmao "slut shaming" she's a fictional character you idiot

(Anonymous) 2015-09-29 06:45 am (UTC)(link)
Slut shaming is an attitude. It's fucking stupid to say no female character ever is allowed to wear revealing clothes, because guess what, a lot of real women do wear revealing clothes, and that does not make them merely male fantasy objects.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-29 01:18 pm (UTC)(link)
nayrt

In my opinion it's not always the revealing outfits that are the problem. It's the extreme male gaze that usually goes along with it. Like in the case of FF XV's Cindy, where the camera focuses on her ass or boobs while she's bending over. I think that's what people need to be criticizing rather than women showing skin. And I think we should be allowed to criticize that without being accused of slut shaming, because the ones we're really criticizing then are the game developers.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-29 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
"Isabela's costume made complete sense for her character"

And so does Quiets. That doesn't change the fact that the only reason this character has those character traits is because someone, some man, wanted to see enormous bouncing tits, and wrote an excuse into the game.

It's not slut shaming because she is not a woman, She's a device created to be the focus of male sexual attention. When it's a fictional character created by men to appeal to men it is not slut shaming, it is man shaming.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-29 06:47 am (UTC)(link)
I see, so no woman ever is allowed to wear revealing clothes. I mean, fuck, if you'd ever played DA2, Isabela is an extremely developed character who has traits that go way beyond sex. Considering she is the only female character in the game to be dressed in a revealing way (the other two are totally covered) it's hardly a statement about women. You're still policing other women's clothing choices on the basis that somehow it has to be for the men.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-29 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Being this much in denial...

(Anonymous) 2015-09-29 07:43 am (UTC)(link)
Quiet's outfit doesn't make even the tiniest bit of sense for her character. Needing to have her skin exposed is one thing, but she's wearing fucking tights and a leather glove that almost reaches her shoulder. Something like Amanda's bikini in Peace Walker (same as the one all the female grunts wear) would make a lot more sense - basically a sports bra and short shorts. It would be more comfortable, more practical, and leave more skin exposed.

It's not like Quiet is a particularly sexy or sexual character either. She's a no-nonsense soldier, why in god's name would she want to wear a thong and a bikini top with absolutely no support in to battle?

I know that's not the point you were trying to make, but I get so mad thinking about the ridiculousness of Quiet's outfit, I can't stand idly by and watch someone claim it makes sense in any capacity. EVA from MGS3 would be a much better example of revealing clothing that makes sense for her character.

(Anonymous) 2015-09-30 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
Isabella is a pirate and her outfit is like... classic pirate lass. I didn't see her as overly sexualized... hell, she's modest compared to the other female characters she's being compared to in this thread like Quiet or that chick from FFXV.

I guess I see it as different because Isabella owns her sexuality and seeks her own pleasure. She's not there to be on display, she has her own desires.

SA

(Anonymous) 2015-09-30 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
I'd say the same thing about Bayonetta, actually. She never rubbed me the wrong way for similar reasons... she comes off as owning it and flaunting it as opposed to being a passive doll. There's not many female characters you see who are like that.