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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-10-04 04:07 pm

[ SECRET POST #3196 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3196 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Hannibal]


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03. [repeat, Black Mirror]


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[World of Warcraft, Mists of Pandaria]


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[Sailor Moon]


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[Silicon Valley]


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[Time Masters: Vanishing Point and Aladdin]


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[Floraverse]


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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Re: Gender roles and expectations

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2015-10-05 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
All of them, basically.

Men are expendable, women need to be protected, men aren't caring/nurturing, women love babies, men can't be fulfilled by being home makers, women are more emotional (holy fuck is this ever NOT the truth, btw).

I disagree with all of it. Fuck that noise.

Re: Gender roles and expectations

(Anonymous) 2015-10-05 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
Genetically speaking men are expendable. 1 month to make 1 gamete compared to 2 mins to make thousands, women are in all practical terms much less expendable for the species than men.

Re: Gender roles and expectations

(Anonymous) 2015-10-05 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
And the relevance to prescriptive gender roles is? What scenario do you see men being genetically expendable in, though? I mean, as a thought experiment, yeah, but it doesn't really say anything useful in a thread about gender roles.

Re: Gender roles and expectations

(Anonymous) 2015-10-05 08:52 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt but the reason why the argument for men being genetically expendable is because it hasn't always been this easy for humankind to survive. This is relatively speaking, of course because there are many places in the world where it STILL isn't that easy to survive, but historically speaking, there are some major dangers that are greatly lessened now: predation from wild animals, disease, starvation, war, etc. You can repopulate a given area with only a small handful of men and a bunch of women, but if you have a bunch of men and only a handful of women... bye-bye, humankind!

So your scenario is basically thousands of years of human history.

Re: Gender roles and expectations

(Anonymous) 2015-10-05 09:12 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt Lol, but I actually don't think you know very much about the EEA/human evolution and the role of males in child rearing. Also, you've got some funny reasoning extending sperm vs wombs from basic sexual reproduction to humanity.

Re: Gender roles and expectations

(Anonymous) 2015-10-05 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
My comment mentioned nothing about either the male OR female role in childrearing, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. I also think that the link between sperm vs. wombs to sexual reproduction to population growth is pretty darn obvious.

Take a hypothetical example of two islands. Island A has 3 men and 10 women. Island B has 10 men and 3 women. Keeping mind the obvious fact it requires only one man to impregnate a woman but it takes a woman 9 months to gestate a child(ren), which island do you think will have the fastest population growth? It's Island A, of course, unless the women of Island B manage to have successful multiple births on a regular basis which is unlikely.

Re: Gender roles and expectations

(Anonymous) 2015-10-05 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
ayrt Here we are again with thought experiments, and nothing at all to do with human history. Where, very incidentally, the contribution of the males to childrearing contributed to the survival of the species. With some species the female (or sometimes the male) can rear the young alone; humans have not been one of them. Except perhaps now, with technology aiding production, women could do it pretty much alone now. So there you go, there's my thought experiment, and yet still nothing has been said about prescriptive gender roles.