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I mean, I hear people saying that maybe slashers find the het tropes boring, true (I'm not convinced though because some slashers really say that het is boring regardless and universally) but then how to rationalize the fact that a lot of slash shippers essentially ship their slash pairs more as if they were still het (w/ the same tropes and stereotypes) and few really try to portray a realistic gay couple?
I mean, if you just turn one of the male characters into the woman and give them the 'woman role' we supposedly hate so much, then what's the point?
You still have that 'boring het' w/ the same dynamics and 'romance' clichè hollywood has, the only difference being that both characters have a penis.
Take mpreg for example, it's all about stereotyped gender roles.

Tl; dr: I always see straight slash fans criticize and call boring x het ships and yet, they portray their slash pairs the same way so where is the originality? I might argue that nowadays slash is not so original as it was years ago and if you think you are different, unique and more original for shipping two guys rather than a man and a woman, I'm sorry but you are not.

Mpreg... isn't that popular, it's always been niche. And while slash fiction isn't true to life, I can't say that it only employ het tropes. For one thing male characters tend to have a lot more storytelling opportunity open to them in canon itself, so even if you take advantage of a small bit of that, it already opens up a lot more possibility than for the average female character.

It's true that maybe many will see more potential in the male characters if sexism in hollywood means that male characters are more common and developed than the female ones. I don't think, though, that this can be the sole reason, or the main one, why some people automatically ship m/m slash in everything and label het as boring no matter what.
I think that certain people have higher standards for het and for women in general: every hot cis white man has potential, no matter how unoriginal-stereotyped, mediocre and/or underdeveloped that male character is, but some women just can't empathize with other women.
If the woman doesn't have flaws, she's perceived as a mary sue. But if she's flawed like the male characters are, the same thing that makes her the most hated in the fandom probably is something that is considered a source of interest when it comes to the male characters instead.
There are many things considered bad tropes for the female characters and het that yet, are suddenly cute and normal if the male characters in the slash ship are portrayed that way (e.g., characters being emotional and/or submissive with their partner; the relationship being their n.1 priority most important thing in their life; .. and so on)

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I don't think, though, that this can be the sole reason, or the main one, why some people automatically ship m/m slash in everything

I think another reason slash is so popular is because most of the huge fandoms right now are predominantly slash fandoms. So if you're someone who is in it for the fic, it doesn't always feel like you can get what you want from a lot of het fandoms.

For a long time I'd never been in a slash fandom, and I kind of thought, "Jeez, what's the big deal about slash fandoms?" and just presumed it was internalized sexism or whatever. But then I got into a slash fandom - a major one - and suddenly it was like, "Holy shit, this is where the party is!"

I miss having a female character as one half of my OTP (and the favorite half, usually). I miss that a lot. But truthfully, I'm not sure I can really see myself going back to het now, because when it comes to the type of media I like (live action dramatic TV shows), there are hardly any really big het fandoms to get into.

It's a vicious cycle. If more people got into het fandoms, then het fandoms would thrive and more people would want to get into them. But because they're smaller, less people are enticed into them, which means they stay small.

The "woman role" loses everything that makes it annoying when it belongs to a man, because it's no longer the "woman role." It's no longer implying "this is what the woman is like because this is what women are like" (or worse, "this is what my, the author's, ideal woman is like") it's just what the character is like. For me this also applies when it's f/f. I don't mind a character in the "woman role" when both characters are women because it's also no longer saying "this is what all woman are like," it's just "this is what this woman is like, and here's this other woman who's different."

This is a really good point.

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Ugh it really is not. Hating women for having feminine traits but give them to men and love it might be internalized misogyny. Besides,
1) you can give the 'woman role' to the man in het too (ever heard about pegging too?) you don't necessarily need m/m slash. Even mpreg you can have it in het, at least you'd have both the required ingredients to cook a baby.
Not to mention how transphobic it is to think that het can only be between cis straight people.
2) if you don't like women having the woman role don't give it to them. We are talking about fanfictions, right? You got the power. This excuse you guys keep using that women are not well written is lame: fangirls are able to give depth to and obsess over any mediocre cliché male character but apparently lose their ability to fanfiction and headcanon when it comes to women (and people of color. And trans women. And lesbians)
Since when slash is even truly based on canon anyway? You don't need canon support.

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3) the whole 'one of them must be the woman' is a hurtful trans phobic stereotype for gay men. The idea that gay men must be all effeminate or want to be women is a stereotype they are fighting against since always. Do you know how many straight people I know who say things like 'oh it's obvious he's gay he looks so gay!' or when they meet actual homosexual men who don't fit their stereotype and are like 'oh he's so masculine I'd never guess he was gay!'.

Following the argument here, you'all be fighting against the stereotypes for women by essentially supporting a trans phobic homophobic one well known for homosexual men and gay couples. Nice!

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