[ SECRET POST #405 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #405 ⌋

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Notes:

Last day to submit for next week!

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Comments

Re: 59

[musouka-manga.livejournal.com]

Get better betas. Cause obviously, either the ones you have right now suck, or they're not being honest with you.

Excuse me, I think this is uncalled for. I don't mind you discussing the merits of the fic itself, but the onus of writing belongs on the writers. You have been repeatedly rude about our betas, and I think you need to stop being so insulting about a situation you're not privy to.

Re: 59

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not trying to be rude, and no offense to the betas, but I really think they're not being honest with you and I think that's unfortunate. There really shouldn't be that many mistakes in a betaed fic. I've read unbetaed stuff that had less mistakes, seriously. And it's unfortunate cause it's really well written as a whole, but seeing mistakes like those just make you want to stop reading sometimes.

Re: 59

[musouka-manga.livejournal.com]

So wait a second. Our betas are being dishonest with us because they don't catch all of our grammar errors? Most fic chapters are half the length of ours, if that, and while that's no excuse for sloppy mistakes, it does factor into things.

And I've already said that this is something I'll try to catch in the future, so I'm not really sure why we're still on the beta issue.

Re: 59

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not talking only about grammar errors. Phrasing as well, and stuff that simply doesn't make sense that they should tell you about. And trust me, some of what I spotted is nearly impossible to miss, especially if you have three betas like you said.

Re: 59

[musouka-manga.livejournal.com]

And, yes, you've pointed it out. I appreciate you doing so, but I've already said that I will try to make an extra effort to catch these errors. Perhaps that will also help lessen any confusion while reading.

As far as Phoenix goes...here's the bottom line. I'm not going to write a more introspective Phoenix. I am not going to go back and change the chapters so that Phoenix is more introspective. The way we write him is a deliberate choice, and is probably not going to change in the forseeable future. I'm sorry to any readers we might lose because of it, but that is what a lot of our fic hinges upon.

On the other hand, I fully admit that there is a difference between being subtle and opaque, and I hope anyone can tell us when there are points they had trouble understanding what was going on--if you honestly feel uncomfortable doing it under your name, both our ff.net account and Objection account accept anon reviews.

I believe that takes care of everything.

Re: 59

[(Anonymous)]

You never reply to reviews, though.

Re: 59

[cftfic.livejournal.com]

Beta here.

I'm being perfectly honest with Musouka and Raelle when I beta, just for the record. My own writing tends to be very stylized and loose grammatically, so perhaps I simply don't see the errors you talk about. But I disagree with some of the errors you're pointing out; the stuff you mention makes sense to me when I read it.

Re: 59

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if you have trouble spotting grammar errors, there should be someone else going over the fic specifically for that.

And what do you disagree with exactly?

Re: 59

[cftfic.livejournal.com]

Er, that the stuff you're talking about wasn't clear? It flowed well to me, nothing felt off, out of placed, or forced. It helps that I know--and agree with--the authors' interpretation of Phoenix, I guess. But it's all made sense to me... rather, I do read it closely, and I can't think of anything that DIDN'T make sense to me (that they haven't changed).

Re: 59

[(Anonymous)]

Well maybe that's the problem. You know the authors and their story too well, so of course, most of the things that would be confusing to normal readers won't be confusing to you.