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[ SECRET POST #405 ]
⌈ Secret Post #405 ⌋
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Re: 59
Chapter Four?
I'm sorry but your comparisons don't make sense. First of all, why would Phoenix constantly be thinking about saving Edgeworth? He's known that for a while, he doesn't need to think about it anymore. He's already made up his mind.
Even when he first confronts Edgeworth in court? Even after Mia and Maya explicitly ask him about it? Even after defeating him for the first time, even when Edgeworth approaches him and tells him to GTFO from his life? All of that, and absolutely nothing from Phoenix in the game.
But this is different. It's something that JUST happened, and he's confused. Why wouldn't he think about it? I agree he seems to push his emotions aside when he thinks it's too hard to handle, but I think even him wouldn't be able to do that in that situation. Not until he ponders a little and makes a decision on how he feels about it, at least.
And again, it's back to that fundamental disagreement. I think it's completely possible and natural for some people to respond to difficult things by shoving them away and refusing to deal with them. It seems strange to me that this idea is so alien.
That said, the same thing applies to his reaction in GS2 when people talk about Edgeworth. The game takes place months after Edgeworth left. He's had more than enough time to think about it and make up his mind. If the game took place right after Edgeworth left, I'm sure Phoenix would have thought about it a lot more.
I think it's kind of hard to discuss something that's never actually illustrated in the game. What we have to go on is that he blocks it out whenever it comes up--from someone else or from himself--when he doesn't want to deal with it. When "Dollie" suddenly pops back up into his life, Phoenix didn't go into a long string of introspection about it, even when actually faced with Iris. He acted, and we had to rely on physical cues to get an idea of what his response was--not his internal thought or introspection.
Well, there. You said it yourself. How can he address his issues if he doesn't think about them?
By taking action?
Re: 59
(Anonymous) 2008-02-15 11:45 am (UTC)(link)Yes, but I already told you it was really confusing.
Even when he first confronts Edgeworth in court? Even after Mia and Maya explicitly ask him about it? Even after defeating him for the first time, even when Edgeworth approaches him and tells him to GTFO from his life? All of that, and absolutely nothing from Phoenix in the game.
That's exactly my point. He's already made up his mind, he doesn't need to think about it anymore, no matter how much he's reminded of it.
And again, it's back to that fundamental disagreement. I think it's completely possible and natural for some people to respond to difficult things by shoving them away and refusing to deal with them. It seems strange to me that this idea is so alien.
Yes, but the way you portray it, he's not refusing to deal with them, he's just thinking about them, but not very clearly. Obviously he doesn't shove them away completely if he decides to go and talk to Edgeworth. And even though he might have decided not to think about it before getting there, while he's talking to him in the office, it makes no sense that he wouldn't have to think about what to say. And no, what he says in that scene really doesn't convey what he's thinking, and it's unfortunate, cause it could have been an interesting conversation if we knew what he was trying to say, no matter how confused he is about it himself.
When "Dollie" suddenly pops back up into his life, Phoenix didn't go into a long string of introspection about it, even when actually faced with Iris.
That's true, he doesn't, but he doesn't need to. I never said anything about doing huge strings of introspection either, just to make it CLEAR what he's thinking. In the game, it was pretty easy to figure out what he was thinking, without having to go into details. Basically, I'm not saying you need MORE introspection from Phoenix, but that what there is has to be CLEAR. Cause it's useless if you write something and we don't know what you're trying to say.