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⌈ Secret Post #405 ⌋

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No, I'm asking why you think he freaked out about it. What prompted the freak out, in your opinion?

Well, first of all, cause he was oblivious to what was really going on between them until then.

Secondly, Edgeworth is a man.

Edgeworth couldn't bring himself to tell him outright, but Phoenix comes to understand as he watched Edgeworth in the office.

I think you don't understand what I'm saying. I KNOW that Phoenix gets his answer as to how Edgeworth feels, but what does he think about Edgeworth's feelings? It's not clear at all in the text. Even after reading the scene several times, I still didn't understand what he was thinking, or what he was trying to say. And it's your job as a writer to make it clear for the reader.

Phoenix isn't going to reject him--not at this point. (Again, the pulling him back when it looks like Edgeworth is moving away, speaking of their dinners in "past tense") Now he can begin to process things on his own end.

Well, see, that might be obvious to you, but it's not to the reader. It really wasn't clear from the way it was written if he was rejecting him or not. To me it sounded like he was telling him he just wanted to stay friends, but he was trying not to be an ass about it.

The kiss isn't a catalyst. It's a symptom of what's going on between them, not the source.

When did I say it was the source?

Secondly, Edgeworth is a man.

Just going to quickly respond to this, since I'm not Musouka/Raelle and I don't think I can answer the other questions (though I honestly felt it was clear personally).

Having seen the very long, intricate planning stages for this fic, as far as SAG is concerned (AFAIK), gender is completely and utterly irrelevant. So what if it's a man? Phoenix, if he freaks out, isn't freaking out over "Oh god I kissed a guy," it's "oh god I kissed Edgeworth."

It's not a story about a romance between two men, it's a story about a romance between two people who incidentally happen to be male.

Perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough, it was very late when I was replying to these comments, but I agree that the biggest part of the freakout is Edgeworth. Regardless of sexual orientation or anything else, there are serious, epic consequences for them getting involved and it not working out. Especially since they essentially live for one another by the time T&T is over.

And of course, Phoenix, who at one point drastically changed his life in order to save Edgeworth and rekindle a friendship with him, would worry a great deal about the possibility of messing the whole thing up.

That said, I get the feeling from this fic and some of the discussions I've seen around CR and whatnot that the authors see Phoenix as being essentially straight. While I understand that it's nice to think that love has no gender boundaries, it's unrealistic to propose that it doesn't matter at all. And I don't believe that it's unreasonable to say that Phoenix would freak out about being kissed by a man, Edgeworth or no. It's definitely something that should be considered a part of his reaction.

And I think we're about done here. I have other things to do and don't really have the time to argue with three different people at the same time. I hope that, once you all can look at the criticism I've offered a little more objectively, that you might take some of it into consideration when writing further chapters.

I hope that, once you all can look at the criticism I've offered a little more objectively, that you might take some of it into consideration when writing further chapters.

That's been our intention from the beginning, as we've all said numerous times. As an author, the last thing I want to do is confuse my readers, therefore it's definitely something we'll all try to keep in mind as we're writing/going over future chapters.

And, again, as I said before, thank you for telling us how you felt about this. I might not agree with all of your views on the matter, but I appreciate the time you've taken to discuss it with us.

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