[ SECRET POST #405 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #405 ⌋

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Comments

Re: 9

[pattypleb.livejournal.com]

...The last time I got into an extended argument with a eugenics supporter on the internet was on youtube, and, as one would expect on youtube, I lost both all hope in my own persuasive ability and also in humanity. So I'll just recommend that you learn some evolutionary biology, and take some time to think about some basic questions:

1) What qualifies as superiority? What traits will be adaptive in five generations? Are there developmental trade-offs between some desired traits and others?

2) Is there value in genetic diversity? Consider disease resistance, overdominance (which is, essentially, situations where heterozygosity is more adaptive, like with malaria and sickle cell anemia), the evolution of sexual reproduction and why that sort of recombination would be adaptive, changing environmental conditions, and what natural selection works on in the first place.

3) Who decides?

4) What are the philosophical and political implications of controlling reproduction?

Eugenics has been implemented into law in the USA before (Buck v. Bell, anyone? Three generations of "imbeciles" - none of whom had actually been diagnosed with any illness, or showed any symptoms of unfitness apart from poverty?), and I believe in at least some of Western Europe, so the Holocaust isn't the only bad example. I'm going to do the ugly American thing and direct you towards some US based historical reading, since I don't really know much about other movements: War Against the Weak, which as I recall goes from Galton in England into at least the 1960s, and Mismeasure of Man, which is a good palliative to the idea that we can even classify ourselves well enough to begin a eugenics program, all other problems aside. That's all I can recollect off the top of my head, but it's a good place to start. If you're interested in non-compulsory eugenics, rather than the disturbing disgenics programs that have previously been implemented, I suggest you read up on the Nobel Sperm Bank, just for the sheer hilarity.

Now if ya'll excuse me, I'm gonna go dye my hair blonde and sell my ova.

Re: 9

[(Anonymous)]

(Not OP)

This comment is great! Well played, sir. I'm v. intrigued by the reading suggestions you made. Thanks for those!