[ SECRET POST #3227 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3227 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Mary McDonnell, Battlestar Galactica, Major Crimes]


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03.
[Deadly Premonition]


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04.
[The Walking Dead, Glenn Rhee]


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05.
[Bill Skarsgård]


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08. http://i.imgur.com/LAq54d4.jpg
[link for random penis]









Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 018 secrets from Secret Submission Post #461.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: Just leaving this here

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like that ignores the not insignificant portion of the trans population who do have dyphoria but do not necessarily want a penis- for FTM- or a vagina- for MTF. For example, a famous trans woman who does not immediately want vaginoplasty is Caitlyn Jenner. A not insignificant number of people experience dysphoria with what they currently have or the gender they are percieved as, without feeling like they must go all the way to physical surgery everywhere. Many people are content with removing the secondary sex characteristics that cue them visibly as the gender they do not identify with, and adding the ones that cue them visibly as the one they do identify with.

I think you're reducing transgender-ism far too much to purely physical attributes. Imo it's not only physical or only mental. It's both. When FTM want to identify as "a man" or MTF want to not identify as "a man" then for them the concept of "a man" is a thing.

Re: Just leaving this here

[feotakahari]

"A not insignificant number of people experience dysphoria with what they currently have or the gender they are percieved as, without feeling like they must go all the way to physical surgery everywhere. Many people are content with removing the secondary sex characteristics that cue them visibly as the gender they do not identify with, and adding the ones that cue them visibly as the one they do identify with."

On the one hand, you're still talking about the body. Mental mapping is more than genitals, as anyone with a phantom limb will tell you.

On the other hand, people don't exist in a vacuum, and just because a given cultural context isn't natural or inevitable doesn't prevent it from mattering. To consider the obvious cliche, if you're told all your life that women wear dresses and men don't, and you know you're a woman even though no one around you respects that, you may want to wear a pretty dress and be recognized as a woman. But that doesn't make dresses feminine in and of themselves, just signifiers as part of a cultural context. (Men can wear dresses too, after all!)

Re: Just leaving this here

[(Anonymous)]

If men aren't a thing, then, what's the difference between being recognized as a person with a mustache or a man with a mustache? Or a person in a dress or a woman in a dress? Would you tell trans people that there is no difference?

Are women a thing? Would you tell feminists that women aren't a thing?

Re: Just leaving this here

[feotakahari]

For your first paragraph, that can't be answered in a vacuum. It depends on what a "man" or a "woman" means in that specific culture.

For the second paragraph, I wouldn't say that, because American culture has made such a thing of feminity that it's acquired a Frankensteinian unlife. If I were to argue with a feminist about how she was talking about "women," I'd frame it more in terms of not falling into the trap of binary gender.