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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-11-05 07:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #3228 ]


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Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

(Anonymous) 2015-11-06 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
What's complicated about it? The point is that you do have freedom of speech, but you don't have the freedom not to be criticized if you offend people. The people who get offended have freedom of speech, too.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

(Anonymous) 2015-11-06 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
I'm tired so I can't really get into it as fully as I'd like. But basically what I'm saying - I think that the concept of freedom of speech is broader than just government restrictions on speech. I think that the importance of freedom of speech in a democracy is greater fundamental. I think that social approbation can at a certain point become a real block on freedom of speech. I think that, when you talk about the political importance of freedom of speech, it comes from the ability to have a discussion, and that implies that people are going to listen. I think that, while everyone has a legal right to dismiss any view as vituperatively as you like, that has to be balanced against maintaining the possibility of discourse. I think it's easy to say that you don't have to accept offensive views, but I think when you get down to cases it often becomes difficult to distinguish between things that are offensive and things that you just disagree with. I think it's very difficult to draw a bright line from the top-down between those things & insufficient attention is paid to that difficulty.

And so basically what I'm saying is that there is an aspect of freedom of speech which has to do with the way that we act and talk, not just with the role of the government. There is something that we owe as citizens in regards to discourse. Now of course this doesn't apply to dumbass jokes or stupid fucking Halloween costumes - of course the people arguing from free speech in that regard are jackasses, and there are many more misuses of the argument. But like I say. It's complicated.