[ SECRET POST #3231 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3231 ⌋

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Comments

Re: What in canon do you ignore?

[(Anonymous)]

abusive John Winchester

IDK, maybe this is a comment on my own dad, but John Winchester never struck me as abusive the way fandom has always seen him. To me, he's always seemed like a man so single-minded that he doesn't realize he's emotionally neglecting his boys.....not the raging monster seen in fandom. I see him as gruff and emotionally withdrawn and intimidating, but it only goes that far.

Re: What in canon do you ignore?

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with this.

Re: What in canon do you ignore?

[(Anonymous)]

Emotional neglect is a form of parental abuse tho

Re: What in canon do you ignore?

[(Anonymous)]

There's a big difference between not validating someone's feelings and tying them to a chair for a week spilling the salt. John did the first. Fanon has him doing the second.

Re: What in canon do you ignore?

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Oh, I know -- my dad did that to me and my brother, and it has messed us up to this day -- but it's not the same as what a lot of fanfiction portrays, which is malicious-intent abuse.

No way am I saying John was a healthy father. I just see him as someone who tried their best, and sadly their best wasn't enough.

If you don't see him like that, that's cool -- I'm not looking to debate.

Re: What in canon do you ignore?

[(Anonymous)]

He also left his two sons alone for days at a time to fend for themselves when they were around ten.

That's kind of neglect.

Re: What in canon do you ignore?

[blitzwing]

There's a four year age difference between them. That means one was 10 and the other was 14, or one was 10 and the other was 6. Which one was it?

Re: What in canon do you ignore?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but IIRC in the season 1 episode with the Shtriga(?), Dean is about 10 years old, which would put Sam at 6. And John left the two of them alone, while out hunting a child-killing monster, then yelled at Dean for not protecting Sam enough when the Shtriga came after them.

Anyway, I can't remember the episode name, but that did cement the image of John Winchester in my mind as "neglectful to a fault".

Re: What in canon do you ignore?

[(Anonymous)]

What the other person said.

It was that Dean was only 10. And then he got really fucking mad this his ten-year-old son couldn't do much to protect his little brother because he refused to give up his sons to a healthy home environment and instead dragged them along to make them into child soldiers, basically. Because all that mattered was revenge and logically, they'd be safer AWAY FROM HIM where he wouldn't be painting targets on their backs.

And I can't help but notice that if a woman does the whole "leaves ten-year-old child to care for six-year-old child for days on end for whatever reason," she's condemned. But heaven forbid we call out a male character on the same thing.

Re: What in canon do you ignore?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I like that they showed John Winchester as flawed and damaged, but holy hell, did he ever manage to damage his sons in the process. I think he can be somewhat sympathetic because of what happened to him, but it still doesn't excuse all the things he did wrong. The fact that Dean was still so traumatized by that years later, and that he perceived his dad as sending them on that hunt BECAUSE Dean had screwed it up when he was 10 - it's hard to look at John Winchester as not emotionally abusive at least, whether John intended to be so or not.