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[ SECRET POST #3233 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3233 ⌋

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Dude, Burr is definitely supposed to be sympathetic. I would argue that he's not really even a villain; he's a person who did some bad things and some good things, just like Hamilton. Shades of gray, you know?

(also, hell yes Hamilton secret. ♥)

I recently saw a comment suggesting that Lin is just as fascinated w/ Burr as he is with Hamilton, and I don't know if that's accurate but he definitely created a show in which Burr is compelling.no shame and you're not alone.

Oh wow, his is such a coincidence, I was just telling a friend that I have had "Wait for it" stuck in my head for the past 4 days.

Wait for it is soooo good omg. I've been listening to it so much lately.

As a history nerd it takes away from my enjoyment seeing black people playing white people. It's a misrepresentation of history. I am sure this will piss off plenty of people but if it was the other way everyone would be rioting in the street. Imagine if MLK was played by Kevin Bacon.

counterpoint: fuck off

Yes the witty repartee I have come to expect from the average knuckle dragger that this place attracts.

It's theater. If it was film you might have a point but theater doesn't always rely on ethnicity in its casting the way film does. It's always been a big thing in theater to cast people who aren't the same [age, gender, race, etc.] as the characters they play because theater is less about being a 100% realistic-in-every-particular depiction of real life and more about creating an overall image of the story they are telling. It's like comparing a photorealist painting to an Impressionist work and complaining that the one uses different artistic techniques than the other.

I wouldn't mind it so much if the playwright didn't go on and on about how it's based off the Hamilton biography by Ron Chernow. Mr Chernow is an incredible biographer and the inaccuracies just seem to undermine his work. But you do present a good argument so I will concede on the point of it being theater vs a movie or other presentation.

My issue with racebending is that it's 'one way' - you couldn't have a white Othello now without causing a huge stink (although I did see a production a few years ago where Othello was the only white person in the cast, it was okay but I think the focus on race took too much away from the rest of the story). If racebending truly came down to "it's theatre, we're race blind" then Othello could be white, Martin Luther King could be white and Abraham Lincoln could be a black woman - but you really wouldn't cast like that unless you were making a point.

silly story for you - I once came home to find my roommmate seriously stoned having an intense argument about how Abraham Lincoln was black and "like Jesus" he's been in the victim of historical whitewashing. I asked him what made him think Lincoln was black, his response was "because".

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The race bending is the point. The point is taking men who were slave owners and letting black men play them. It's meant to show both the universality of the story and to highlight the injustices throughout the years.

Also Chernow is advisor on the show so clearly he's cool with it.

make a secret about it instead of wank baiting under the comments for someone else's secret.

This. This racewank trolling is completely unrelated to the secret.

Nope. As a historian, I'd say it's actually a far truer representation of the history than if you cast a bunch of white guys.

As a historian, you can say that George Washington was Asian woman but that doesn't make you right. And you aren't correct now either.

Yes, people would have an unequal reaction to it, because the context of the white people in media (historical or present) and POC in media (historical and present) are decidedly unequal. Like, I realize low-key racists don't do a lot of critical thought, but this one's easy if you have a smidge of an understanding of the reality of race/oppression and some common sense.

But to the point I think you're trying to make.

An understanding of history has never relied on it actual accuracy, but upon the determinations, influences, biases, etc of the people interpreting the evidence of history. History is always misrepresented by virtue of it not being the present and it having to be interpreted without every single detail necessary for an precise picture. Misrepresentation of some degree is pretty common.

However, if you want spirit of our history to be granted to successive generations, you must have a way of communicating that history. Translation is too often a misrepresentation. Because the point of it is communication, not accuracy. Accuracy is not the be all end all of truth. And so, the hip hop (also I'm sure you realize, a misrepresentation) and the POC in prominent roles makes a view of history that is both relateable and accessibleto people who quite frankly wouldn't have known who was on the 10 dollar bill besides the last name in the first place, and I find that far more important than an impossible ideal of perfect representation.

Also this is a story and if you think those are meant to be accurate...lol.

As someone who knows nothing about US history, I had to ask google if Burr was black or if it was just the actor.

Thank you for making my point.

Seriously? I know practically nothing about US history but still enough to know that a black dude could not have been a politician of Burr's status in the late 18th century.

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Did... Did I make this secret in my sleep or something? Cause, same.

Not just you, I identify with "Wait for It" so much. Hamilton probably would have annoyed the shit out of me in real life.

Nah, Burr gets an extremely sympathetic edit considering that stories after the duel are about him being sorta amused that people are so angry he killed Hamilton and totally having a "gives no fucks" attitude about it. Meanwhile, the line before he kills him is "This man will not make an orphan of my daughter" and the line after is "Wait."

I mean, "Dear Theodosia" and "Wait for It" alone.

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