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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-11-11 06:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #3234 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3234 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.
[Golden Girls]


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02.
[Boku no Hero Academia]


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03.
[C.S. Lewis vs. J.R.R. Tolkien]


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04.
[Pokémon, Leah Remini]


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05.
[Tales of Zestiria]


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06.
[The Man In The High Castle]


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07.
[Marjorie Liu, Sana Takeda, Monstress]


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08.
[Sleepy Hollow]








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(Anonymous) 2015-11-11 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, first, I strongly disagree with everything you've said here that is positive about Lewis' writing. Second, I don't find Tolkien's writing dry at all. But those are subjective things.

Third, I would argue seriously that Lewis trying to write Lord of the Rings would have been a complete and total disaster, because Lewis' ideas, themes, aesthetics, and writing style but most especially his tone as a writer are so wholly at odds with the whole project of Lord of the Rings. It seems radically incompatible to me. Lewis doesn't have the same sense of age and time and doom that Tolkien did; he doesn't have quite the same aesthetic sensibility even for the England-y Shire bits, and he has nowhere close to the sensibility for the heroic saga bits. He would not have been capable of writing a character like Aragorn; I'm not sure he would have been capable of writing a character like Frodo.

It's possible to imagine Lewis' take on Tolkien, but God - why would you want to?

(Anonymous) 2015-11-12 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I dunno. Mr. Tumnus' tea party is very hobbit like, IMO.
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[personal profile] darnaguen 2015-11-12 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
Seconded.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-12 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
Thirded, and well said!
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[personal profile] kryss_labryn 2015-11-16 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
I have to admit, I loved the Narnia books as a child (and still love Tolkien); but what strikes me now, trying to read them to my kids, is the terribly, terribly ham-fisted, heavy, unsubtle Christian allegory (which I loved as an Anglican kid once our pastor pointed it out--although I argued vehemently against its existence with my Mum earlier when she tried to, lol); and the terrible, terrible life lessons. The one that stands out right now is in "Prince Caspian", because that's where I stopped reading the series again: the lesson there is, hey, if you're lost in the woods (which is a real literal non-metaphorical thing that can happen here in Canada; hell, I had to worry about the kids getting lost in the woods without even leaving the property), or, hell, I suppose even metaphorically as well, whatever you do, DON'T use your brain and try to figure out the problem rationally, because that will just be wasted effort and get you nowhere.

Instead, just do whatever you think God is trying to tell you to do, even if it's diametrically opposed to what rational thought tells you to do and even if it looks like doing it will get you killed.

That is a bullshit life lesson, as is "Hey, when you're lost in the woods, if the others don't think following hallucinatory Jesus off a cliff is a good idea, wait until everyone else is asleep, and then follow hallucinatory!Jesus off a cliff. Without waking anyone up. Because of course that will end well.

As a parent with kids who have a fairly realistic chance of getting lost in the woods that makes me so angry you guys. And now that I am no longer a Christian, the allegory just irritates me (although of course that was the audience he was writing for).

As a fan of fantasy it makes me grit my teeth when Lewis switches between referring to dwarfs (not "dwarves"; that may actually be a bonus though as Tolkien Dwarves are awesome and this way I can separate them more easily) as "he" and "it", even when the dwarf is a good character helping the protagonists. Seriously, watch for it; he keeps saying "it said" instead of "he said"; he actually refers to the "DLF" as "it" more often than "he".

Loved Lewis as a child; now I actually can't read him anymore.

Loved Tolkien my entire life.