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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-11-15 04:07 pm

[ SECRET POST #3238 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3238 ⌋

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Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
If you mean people should mutually understand the difference between how most people in societies view things before getting offended, I agree. If you expect Americans to understand the offensive connotations we have for certain things don't exist to you and therefore we are stupid for being offended by them (one that comes to mind is an old tweet from a Brit complaining about "black cab drivers," in which "black cab" is a cab that operates at night, but Americans don't know that and got offended because they thought she meant black people who drive cabs) but it's okay for you to get mad at Americans who say "gypsy" because we should also know it is offensive to you... wow run-on sentence, but yes, that's a double standard that happens and needs to stop.

But in both cases I think it's also best for either side to actually stop using a word around someone if they still say it offends them. I don't say "gypsy" anymore unless I'm referring to something like the song you mentioned, and if I were talking about the song to a European I'd probably throw in a quick mention that I know it's not a good word but most people here honestly have no way to find out what it means in Europe. In turn I expect Europeans not to show off their cosplay photos where they paint themselves brown to be Korra or something and act like it's fine because nobody cares about blackface in their country. People's right to not be hurt is more important than other people's right to say "but it's okay if I say/do it because it's not offensive in my culture."

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
What if brown Europeans are okay with people painting themselves brown for cosplay and don't think it's offensive?

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
Then they should keep it in their own country and stop flaunting pictures on the internet and telling brown Americans who see them to suck it up and not be offended.

Although I'm sure there are more brown Europeans who are offended by it than are willing to say so. There was an enlightening radio segment about this a few years ago, about a country (not European) I'd seen people from on the internet claim had never had a heavy history of racism and so their racial minorities weren't bothered by casually racist things. Turns out that's not as true as they think.

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, I forgot that the rest of the world isn't allowed to do things that hurt Americans' precious feelings. My bad.

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
Ugh, US-centric "social justice" is so infuriatingly juvenile.

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
Blackface, as an offensive parody of what black people are supposed to look like, was/continues to be a thing WORLDWIDE. It is not only in America.

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
"Making your skin darker in any way shape or form" is not blackface. Blackface is a specific thing with specific roots, and diluting it the way you're doing is an insult to the legacy that actual people have lived.

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Right, and as I said, BLACKFACE happened/still happens worldwide.

And even "just" darkening your skin still offends people outside of the US. It's not just African Americans that see it and think you're a racist douchebag.

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
No one is forced to be offended. But a huge portion of people WILL find it offensive, and if you've painted yourself brown you don't get to pretend it's fine because you met some brown people who didn't get mad.