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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-11-15 04:07 pm

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Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
just out of curiosity, what sorts of words do most australians find incredibly insulting/offensive?

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
Well, "abo" is kind of the go-to racial slur, kind of on par with the US and "nigger." "Dole-bludger" has some nasty connotations that usually tie into racism too. Some people might tell you "bogan" is insulting, and it kind of is...sort of like white trash? But the term's sort of softened a little as it's become more of a subculture thing. My uncle calls people "drongos" sometimes when they're being spectacular fuckwits, but that's a really old-fashioned term. ("Fuckwit" is pretty common though!) "Slag" for "slut." I'm not really sure what else, though, haha, most of the time people insult each other affectionately, so it can be hard to draw the lines between what's fucking with each other and what's genuinely insulting.

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
lol, I remember when some blog--maybe Feminists with Disabilities?--posted a long tirade about how all words ending in -wit (so fuckwit, dimwit, nitwit and even twit) were derived from "lackwit," which was an archaic term for people with developmental disabilities, which made all the -wit words as ableist as "retard."

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt- "Dimwit" I could potentially see having the connotations they mean, even if the speaker did not intend it in that way. "Fuckwit" is completely different.

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
I see, that's interesting! most of those are words I've never heard of before, so I appreciate the additional explanation, too. kindly appreciated, anon.

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 08:20 am (UTC)(link)
Glad to help! :)
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Re: The word "gypsy"

[personal profile] caerbannog 2015-11-16 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
I think wog is similar to nigger, in that it is reclaimed but if you're not you can't use it.

Abo I would argue as worst, as there is no reclaim attempt.

I did see a tumblr post with a few k Notre saying people shouldn't call abo fic abo, even though context (fandom/fanfic) is obviously meaning alpha/beta/omega. I almost through a shitfit because IMO that word should be ignored and not talked about outside of specific social conversations in an Aussie context. I dread American SJW discovering and using it. Let the word DIE.

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 08:13 am (UTC)(link)
I was visiting family last year and we happened upon a group of tourists that thought "abo" was just short for Aboriginal (said they were going to head on over to the Abo Heritage Museum), without knowing the context at all. My grandpa was about to bust his gut from laughing, but my aunt and I were mortified and had to run over to explain the situation before they got themselves into some real trouble. And once they realized what they were saying, they were mortified too!

I guess the point I'm trying to make is, if we ignore the word entirely, it's not as though the pain it inflicts goes away with it, and it could certainly come up in manners unintended. If anything, I think we need more dialogue surrounding the language.
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Re: The word "gypsy"

[personal profile] caerbannog 2015-11-16 08:20 am (UTC)(link)
I can see tourists (and children) mistaking it as similar slang to smoko etc and not realising the implications.

While we certainly need more discussions around language, I would still disagree. Unless it's a really relevant social discussion (someone screaming the word on a bus at children and the follow up chat needed with them) - it's the kind of word I'd prefer to fade out into different meanings and no longer connected to racist history/implications.

Re: The word "gypsy"

(Anonymous) 2015-11-16 08:27 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm...do you have any examples of words that's happened to without an active reclaiming like "wog" and "nigger?" I'm not trying to argue, I'm just honestly having trouble thinking of an analogue.
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Re: The word "gypsy"

[personal profile] caerbannog 2015-11-16 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
TBH Abo is the only one to come to mind immediately, I'm unfamiliar with most slurs - probably because you "overhear" the ones around you.

I don't think chink has had any real attempts at reclaiming?