[ SECRET POST #3238 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3238 ⌋

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Comments

[elaminator]

Hmm, you mean because he's constantly fucking up but somehow coming out on top anyway?

I thought a Mary Sue was either a character who was good at everything (Jar Jar doesn't appear to be BUT he does somehow excel despite all odds so I guess that could count?) or perfect and not allowed to have flaws.

IDK if Mary Sue fits into it or not, all I know is that Jar Jar would be a far more interesting character if he had evil ulterior motives the entire time.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh, dumb typo earlier, meant Enterprise not Internet.

To me I've always seen the pure Sue archetype as someone who breaks the established universe rules for no reason other than they're special. When you think about it, most of the things people tend to list off as Sue things are just that. They have unnatural eye color when everyone else has normal eyes. They are the only American at Hogwarts, they're the only good dragon in Middle Earth, etc. But there's not really any good reason for it aside from being special.

Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon bringing Jar Jar with them doesn't make sense. Why? Why would they bring an adorable bumbling idiot along with them? He's dumb and flaily but nothing bad happens to him, while competent characters are getting killed around him. That's breaking the universe's rules to make him special.

But at the same time, as long as there's a solid story behind a character having special powers we'll allow it. Star Trek never explains why Wesley is the only teenager allowed to stroll onto the bridge and sass the captain whenever he wants and so we hate it, we hate it so much. It's not fair that he gets to break the rules and no one else does. But if you had at some point "He gets to break the rules because Picard is being blackmailed." then it's up to the person watching to decide if it's enough explanation or not, but more people will be fine with it because at least there is an explanation.

That's probably, coincidentally, why so many more female characters get accused of Suedom than male, we're so used to The Hero being special that there's only a teenie amount of justifying needed. But because people are already suspicious of a female lead it's much harder to convince them. Think how people are willing to believe that a guy and girl of roughly the same age in a story together are going to get together (because that's what guys and girls DO!) vs. two girls frantically making out and everyone going "How heterosexual and platonic that is. I really don't see lesbians, do you see lesbians? Are you sure you're not reading into it too much? I need more to convince me, it's just such a stretch."