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⌈ Secret Post #3243 ⌋

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People do treat autistic people like non people.

Just look in this thread. "if you don't fix yourself for me, you're selfish".

It's rich that autistic people are accused of playing the victim when every documentary about autistic people I see focuses on the poor parents and how their child's condition affects them.

People frequently shut down autistic people because "I know a person who's autistic and they're a pain.

A majority of autistic people don't think they're a master race they just want to be treated as human beings.

If you don't make the effort to alleviate the strain you place on others then autistic or not, especially when you know you do place a strain on them, that makes you an asshole. Whether that would go all the way to a cure or not, that is up to you, but if you place a strain on others and know it then you do have a duty to try and alleviate that strain.

If you're talking about things like therapy then i agree. But when people get all "you need to completely cure yourself of autism because your are burdening others, you asshole" then, it's just entirely "no".

You can't just turn off autism. It's a developmental disorder that has been shaping the way your mind developed since you were born. It's just something you adapt to. Try to fix what you can by learning social skills and ways to better communicate.

Eeeeeexcept that nobody here is arguing that autistic people need to cure themselves complete of autism because we know that in real life, that isn't possible. We are talking about a hypothetical situation where IF there was a cure for autism, then what are the pros and cons of people deciding not to take that cure.

From a post above:

"And if they can communicate and , understand, and give consent and live independently, they have every right in the world to refuse it.

I mean hell considering sensory issues are a part of it, getting a cure would require adjustment and depending on how old the person is may cause a huge freakout afterward. In adults anyway. Adults have already adjusted to their "settings" if you will. Nearly everything in their brain from they process they think in (in patterns and routines) to their social knowledge, to their senses would be changing.

Giving the cure to a child who has not yet finished developing would be no big deal but giving it to an adult who already has, that comes with a lot of complexity and ethical issues.

It's incredibly unrealistic to think just giving the cure would get rid of all the strain the adult autistic is 'causing" and not replace it with another kind of strain as their brain tries to adjust."

Depending on the current age of an autistic person completely curing them would come up with some other issues as well.

It's unrealistic to think a cure for autism means "poof! I'm perfectly okay now :D :D :D".

If we're going to discuss this, we need to think about all sides and ramifications here.

This whole secret is a reference to superhero books. Of course the cure is unrealistic.

Just because it's a reference to superhero books doesn't mean that someone can't bring up possible complications of the "cure" and what it might cause. Or what might happen because of it.

Are we only allowed to imagine that the cure is completely flawless and fixes everything just perfectly?

You're trying really hard to have a different discussion than the one everyone else is having. Then when people remind you that we're talking about topic A and you're talking about topic B, you insist that no, no, topic B is what we need to talk about and how come you're the only sensible person here.

You can talk about topic B all you want. But we're talking about A, and we don't have to talk about B just because you think it's more important. Seems like you're having quite a hard time grasping this, and I'm sorry because no wonder it's confusing. But you really need to reconsider your attempts to interrupt people who want to talk about A just so you can scream about B in their faces.

....They're not having a "different conversation". They're talking about the topic of a cure for autism.

Which is the topic in the secret.

Argumentative Anon, we all know it's you defending yourself and your inability to understand that you can't jump into an existing conversation and make it all about you and what you want to talk about.

"We're talking about a hypothetical cure and the pros and cons of it"

"Well here are some cons I think there would be"

"Oh my God quit trying to have a different conversation than everyone else"

Seriously? Quit moving goalposts and re-framing the conversation.

Actually talking about selfishness and choice IS treating them as people.

"Oh, poor things, autistic, have no possible autonomy or hope of change" would not be.

A person has responsibility for their actions. It's by one definition (Kant, if you care) the very essence of personhood.

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