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⌈ Secret Post #3244 ⌋

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[The Walking Dead]

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[Splatoon]

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[Doc Martin]

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[Silmarillion]

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[Tucker & Dale vs. Evil]

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[Deep Blue Sea]

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[undertale]

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(Fantasy author Scott Lynch)

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(Taylor Swift, "Shake it Off")

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[Dany Boon]

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[Masturbation Master Kurosawa]

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I generally agree that finding villains hot isn't problematic but I have to be honest. The Purple Man is really, really pushing the boundaries of that. He's just so deeply awful and in a way that's so directly applicable to real life. It's just a really dark place to go.

See, I don't know that you can make that distinction. Real life people don't have superpowers. And my biggest fictional crush is Sauron who may be from a fantasy universe but is responsible for the torture and death of at least thousands on top of a lot of other awful things. Fictional characters are fictional characters. As long as you recognize that they are awful and that the things they do aren't okay, I don't see a problem with finding them attractive. The problem is with people who justify the actions of characters like, say, Ramsay Bolton or Loki.

I guess I just read his character & his powers as an enlargement of specific real-world things in a way that I don't with someone like Sauron or Bolton or Loki.

And I'm not coming down and saying it's definitely wrong, just... we're starting to get into the territory where it gets pronouncedly squicky.

I'd say Bolton at least is pretty similar.

That's fair, but I don't think the text draws the analogy as specifically to real-world contemporary stuff.

DA

This is just me, but perhaps because what he does to Jessica has been made analogous to rape?

Well, Bolton is a rapist, Sauron may possibly be going by some fanon interpretations, and other villains are rapist. I don't think that means you can't find them attractive. As long as you aren't justifying rape, I don't see the problem.

NAYRT but I guess I would say that it's just so central to the Purple Man character.

True. I guess I just don't really see what the problem is. Attraction is attraction. The secret maker isn't saying they like what the character does or think any of it is okay.

Perhaps it's setting? LotR and GoT are still fantasy settings; Jessica Jones, despite superheroes, is not.

I guess. Just, in my mind, fiction is fiction and kink is kink and those don't have to have anything to do with real life attraction.

:cough: Kind of helping make the case that that Silmarillion background on #5 was actually you and not a frame. :cough:

I admit I specifically was wondering that already. I'm worried our named user group has gotten too small. >_> ^_^ <_<

I figure it's just another YKINMKBYKIOK situation. I would have found the Purple Man wildly attractive a decade ago, so I understand the appeal even if present-me couldn't have less interest.

That's exactly my feeling. Not my thing. Interesting character, yes, attracted, no. But I don't judge someone else for being attracted to him.

It doesn't make you an evil person to find a villain interesting or fascinating or physically attractive, but I need to comment on this because I find Kilgrave to be very realistic; take away the superpowers (which are admittedly almost all powerful and fantastical) and he's a fucked up, despicable human being like any other, the likes of which you could find IRL. The possessiveness, obsession, manipulation, abuse (etc)... the way he treats people like toys and Jessica in particular (she wants to move on, he won't let her; all but manipulates her to come back to him) feels disturbingly real to me. I think what scares me so much about him is that people like this...well, they might not be everywhere, but they exist. They just don't have superpowers.

So yea, I can't say I like him in the way I do other characters because he angers me and creeps me out so deeply, and I can't really get what other people see in the character (in a, 'oh no, he's hot' way) but it's a thing that happens on the regular. I definitely find David himself attractive and in another role I would've been 100 percent there but his...everything else turns me off. (Which is a shame, because he rocks a suit.)

Edited 2015-11-21 21:43 (UTC)

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This is exactly what I'm trying to get across.

The character is an abusive, charming, manipulative rapist. He has superpowers that aid him in doing that, but at base, there's nothing outside the realm of reality in the character himself. You could take away the powers, and he could be a completely plausible, completely awful real person. And I just feel like... I mean, if you are attracted to abusive, charming, manipulative rapists, I don't think that's something you ought to lean into.

Being attracted to a fictional "abusive, charming, manipulative rapist" does not mean at all that you are attracted to them in real life, though. As someone said above, it is a kink. I get that he's very realistic for that type of man. I agree with that. And I personally find him too slimy to be attracted to. But I'm not going to judge someone else's kink. He's still fictional.

Yeah, this. I have fictional characters I adore (heck, I have created fictional characters I adore)--but if they were real people I would run the fuck away. They're not even necessarily bad people, just... terribly, terribly damaged.

Yup. Most of my current fictional crushes are all either really horrible people or are damaged and have such horrible lives that I'd stay far away in real life.

Fiction is fiction, no matter how realistic it is.

I'm not even sure I'd call him charming, tbh. (Sure he does dress well, but...that's about it? He isn't friendly, he isn't polite, he just bluntly tells you to do whatever the hell he wants. He doesn't like pleasantries or pretend to be anything other than a prick.)

But that's what I mean, yea. Take away the superpowers and his particular brand of awfulness is pretty... well, normal.

And I just feel like... I mean, if you are attracted to abusive, charming, manipulative rapists, I don't think that's something you ought to lean into.

Haha, well I don't think anyone sets out to be attracted to monstrous characters, but the fact that they aren't real plays into that; I think almost everyone you see attracted to villains wouldn't feel the same way in real life. Just knowing that character isn't real distances it a bit, even if at their core they are a very believable (and terrible) person.

I might not be attracted to Kilgrave, but I have been attracted to certain villains.

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