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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-12-01 06:39 pm

[ SECRET POST #3254 ]


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(Anonymous) 2015-12-02 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
It's been a long time since my HP fandom days, but I recall a number of fandom people attempting not only to explain but to justify Snape's behavior toward his students, and they were not what I would call Snapewives.

The justifications included:

Snape is just a serious, demanding teacher who refuses to mollycoddle weak students, for their own good.

Harry was insolent to Snape on his first day of Potions class, and Snape naturally figured him for an arrogant, entitled brat like James and determined to take him down a peg for his own good.

Snape realizes, unlike the other teachers, that Voldemort is poised to return, and that the students need to be toughened up to prepare them for hard times ahead, for their own good.

I think all of these are bullshit, but they were advanced quite seriously by plenty of people who did not think they were married to Snape on the astral plane. The problem is that when people get too close to a character, they can't abide the idea that he could be wrong, so they feel the need to justify everything he does.
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[identity profile] mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com 2015-12-02 10:54 am (UTC)(link)
You know where I think those justifcations are good? As the In-Character opinions of characters in fanfic. I could easily see Snape and Dumbledore citing those things as reasons for Snape's behaviour (though the second one is more only Snape's opinion).

(Anonymous) 2015-12-02 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I can see that; OTOH, I saw them in fandom discussions as well as fic. And when they were used in fic (usually in fic where Snape was the protagonist), they were invariably put out there uncritically; Snape (or whichever character was doing the excusing/justifying) would bring up these justifications, and the character who had been appalled at Snape's classroom behavior would basically bow their head and realize how utterly wrong they had been to criticize him.
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[identity profile] mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com 2015-12-02 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, true. I've also seen the excuse "He needs to be tough because Potions is a dangerous class" used, seriously, by characters like Hermione.

I have come to avoid fics that are nice to Snape because I don't really believe it anymore.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-02 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I'd actually agree that he needs to be tough because Potions is a dangerous class--but I'd also argue that there's a substantial difference between a tough teacher and a bully, and Snape is pretty clearly the latter.

One thing that particularly annoyed me was the claim that Lupin was continuing the Marauders' bullying of Snape by having Neville make him a laughingstock in the boggart lesson. It's not exactly Lupin's fault that Snape is Neville's worst fear!
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[identity profile] mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com 2015-12-02 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I understand your point, and agree.

That's another thing I hate, miscasting actions to make their intent deliberately mean.