[ SECRET POST #3258 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3258 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much this. I'm not a Whedon fan, but I don't think he did this because he wants to suckerpunch the Chinese or take a dump on their culture. I think it was garden variety, "Ooh, look at this cool stuff and this neat AU we could use that strongly signals this is super duper creative SF and Not Your Typical Universe!" with zero awareness of how weird it looks to cherrypick the neato bits of Chinese culture/language without including any actual Chinese people in your story.

The people who make TV and movies have a long history of this. See: every Asian martial arts flick that stars a white guy, stuff like The Last Samurai, the White Savior trope, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that it wasn't something motivated by anti-Chinese feelings, but it is profoundly orientalist and I don't think he should get a pass on that.

[(Anonymous)]

No one is saying he should get a pass on that.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess my point is that the way people are making the point does not take into account how "taking all the Cool Exotic Chinese Stuff in an ignorant, non-conscious way" is itself a structure of racism

[(Anonymous)]

It is a structure of racism but assigning Whedon's appropriation that level of intentional harm IMO distracts from the issue of appropriation itself. Whether he deliberately or unintentionally committed appropriation is beside the point what matters is that he committed appropriation to begin with, and saying that he did so "violently" feels derailing.

IDK I just think there are different layers of intentionality when it comes to appropriation and I thinks it's important to acknowledge that.

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