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It's an argument that will never ever end, so might as well get used to that.

I mean, I can understand not liking the change and arguing against it.

The vitriol is what I don't get along with the persistence.

Guys, Lucas hasn't gone on the internet since 2000. And he doesn't even own Star Wars anymore. And complaining to Disney probably is never, ever going to accomplish anything since I'm sure Lucas contractually obliged them only to release the last special editions.

I don't hang out in SW fandom enough to see people regularly complain about it, but IA about not understanding vitriol about this. I understand liking the original, but not enough to carry on about it.

"Lucus" :P

I'm a little sad it was changed because it was a neat character moment for Han, but I don't get the vitriol behind the argument either.

I don't get it either.

I mean, it's a difference of like...half a second. He was already preparing to shoot, it's not like originally he dramatically stood up and shot Greedo point blank in the forehead and in the special edition they had Greedo wave the blaster around a minute, miss, and then get shot by Han in self defense or something.

Like, either way you look at it in what actually got put out in the movies, Han is still a badass okay? He didn't need to pull the trigger just a little faster to keep up his 'I'm a badass smuggler cool guy' cred.

Of course, I'm also a heretic who likes the prequels in addition to the OT so my opinion probably doesn't mean anything to those types. :)

nayrt (nb I didn't grow up with or have watched any Star Wars movie more than once, so I might be off on details and such) I wondered if part of it is exactly how unnecessary it was to change that moment, and maybe some residual annoyance at some other, bigger changes. I think some of the function is also less showing badassery and more moral ambiguity, plus setting up a character no one in-universe knows quite yet -- can they really trust him? If I hadn't heard the whole "who shot first" thing and only knew Han Solo was a "good guy", him shooting first would be quite surprising and makes him just a shade more complex/human than the stereotypical "gruff guy with heart of gold" (again might be forgetting something but I think that's the most morally ambiguous moment out of him).

In some ways, I think it's a bit like editing the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where Ford as Indiana Jones shoots the swordsman instead of using his whip. If that were restored to its original script, they'd fight "fairly" with sword vs. whip and not really cancel out anything else plot, story, or character-wise -- but it's an interesting and unexpected little moment as is.

Tl;dr I think Solo shooting first adds something to the character, but it won't keep me up at night.

My favorite ever instance of these arguments was when a New Trilogy viewer was arguing with an Old Trilogy viewer about "who shot first." And the new viewer obviously had never seen the original, and kept explaining, over and over, how if you look closely, you'll see that Greedo shoots first, and Han dodges, blah blah blah. Amusing, because the NT viewer seemed oblivious to the fact that the argument was about two different versions of the film.

I just like that George Lucas wore a "Han Shot First" t-shirt. Gotta love that he has a sense of humor about it!

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Han_shot_first

SA, Okay so I just linked that page for the picture. But now I see it's a veritable gold mine of tongue-in-cheek "Han shot first" references. So I say "thank you" to all the OT fans who took the argument to this level, because this stuff is hilarious.
Aaron Allston, by way of his recent novel Legacy of the Force: Betrayal, has chimed in on the subject with a reference of his own. After a gun battle, when queried as to the status of her husband, Leia replies that he is fine. "Han shot first," she glibly explains.

* After the assassination of Thrackan Sal-Solo in the novel Legacy of the Force: Bloodlines, Boba Fett remarked that Han should learn to shoot first.

* In Legacy of the Force: Revelation, Jaina tells Fett that if he plans on fighting Han Solo he should "remember to shoot first".

* Han said that he prefers shooting first, "as opposed to shooting second", in the novel Han Solo at Stars' End, which was first published nearly seventeen years before Special Editions were made.

Wait...so an iconic, character-revealing moment is changed, and you think its not a big deal?

So, if we go back and change that moment in the new Dr Who episode "Bad Wolf", and have the Dr throw the switch to kill the Daleks, it wouldn't be a big deal, either. Right?

When the new version is just as iconic and character-revealing and changes nothing, yes it isn't a big deal. Your comparison doesn't work at all.

nayrt, and I don't watch Dr Who, so can't speak to the comparison, but I do think that Han just blasting Greedo did set the tone for his character early in the film as not-heroic. He shoots the bounty hunter who comes for him, he won't even consider rescuing Leia without a reward, and once he's got a reward, he's ready to leave them all behind. I think it makes his eventual return to save the day have that much more impact.

I suppose you can argue that there's enough of that without him shooting first, but I also don't think it was such an egregious incident that it needed to be deleted.

But then, in general, I do not like film creators revising the content of their work once it's been released. I don't mind a bit of buffing up the details, like cleaning up special effects, but I dislike plot or content changes. I am eternally annoyed that I can't get a copy of the theatrical release of Last of the Mohicans, and I also don't care for the re-release editing of ET to remove the guns.

AGREED OH MY GOD

You know what argument I want people to shut up about besides the whole Han Shot First? Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw in "Return of the Jedi". It's yet another silly argument by OT purists.

there's nothing "silly" about the arguments against either, the OT fans are completely in the right. it makes no sense at all for Luke to see a young version of his father, instead of the version he just saw die.

This this this. I know the "argument" is that Anakin "died" when he became Vader (even Obi-Wan basically said teh same, but i bet he doesn't feel that Anakin actually died in that moment), but no, sorry, Anakin was there all along and he became ANAKIN once again before he died, for real. So Luke should be seeing his aged father, not the 22 year old version.

Also, on another point, I hate that Lucas made Vader do his "NOOOO" during the scene where Palpatine is using his Force Lightning on Luke. It took what I felt to be a rather poignant moment and made it very cringe worthy.

The silent mulling over that Vader was doing was what made that scene for me.

I hate that Lucas made Vader do his "NOOOO" during the scene where Palpatine is using his Force Lightning on Luke. It took what I felt to be a rather poignant moment and made it very cringe worthy

LOL, seriously, did he really do this? I haven't watched any of the special edition Original Trilogy since the late 90's versions. It almost sounds like a parody of Lucas' meddling!

It's the 2011/2012 re-release. The one where they FINALLY put the films on Blu-ray.

I had hoped that the most recent re-release from Disney would have the "NOOOO", the Han Shoots Second, and the Anakin Ghost edited out, but unfortunately...no dice there. :C

Ok, look. I'm not an OT only fan. In fact, I tend to like the Prequel Era a bit more just because of the world building and Obi-Wan.

But Han is supposed to be a smuggler. Some who does a lot of dirty work. And he grew up having to learn to "shoot first, ask questions later."

Even after he went into and subsequently "left" the Imperial Academy, he went back to the shit he knew best: smuggling. And when you work form people like Jabba the Hutt, you tend to take that kind of attitude.

He's a good person. But he's selfish. He's had to be. So Lucas changing that bit in the first film was wholly OOC for Han.

Sorry. As far as I'm concerned, Han Shot First, end of argument.

Plus, that CGI to make him dodge the shit like he was some unaware Force Sensitive was so badly done it just fucking rankles me.

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