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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-12-06 03:28 pm

[ SECRET POST #3259 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3259 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2015-12-06 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
And there is the problem weeding out false positives should be integral to the first level of searching, not something you have to fanny about doing yourself. That they have to throw together some sort of advice on the user having to fix it is an admission that their search is broken on a fundamental level.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-06 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that it's imperfect. But I don't think FF is any better - they don't even get to the level of being able to provide that.

I mean, I get you apparently have an irreconcilable philosophical objection to false positives in searching, but I'm really hard pressed to see how the FF search system is a particularly good model either.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-06 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
It provides far fewer of them. Mainly because its system of tagging and crossover segregation provides less opportunities for authors who seek to subvert anti-false positive measures to abuse the system. AO3 is just a huge swamp of tag abuse and inability to filter on the first level of search. Its search system prioritizes volume of responses over accuracy of responses.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-06 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
It provides fewer false positives, but it is also far worse at finding true positives. Is the argument that I'm trying to make here.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-07 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
WTH do you search for? I've never had a problem searching AO3 and finding what I'm looking for. I've seen a few false positives, but not so many that I think the system is horribly flawed.

It would be incredibly difficult to implement a set tag system on a site that includes so many different fandoms and types of creators. AO3 has a team to clean up the tags, but I also imagine this is difficult to stay current with.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-07 07:16 am (UTC)(link)
Well I'm not the one who has an insurmountable objection to false positives, here. But there are problems with tag-monster fics, and with things like ships being tagged that are barely present in a story. And I imagine it looks a lot worse if you're mostly searching in very popular fandoms / pairings.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-06 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
FF: What search system. They have a few indexes and that's it.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-06 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
No, your view is too naive. Maybe if every person though alike it could work like that, but the archive is too big and the people posting to it too different ( <3! ).

It's not that different from the Internet or any big library. You can let yourself be pleased by what's immediately visible. Or you can educate yourself a tiny little bit and draw on vast resources. Your choice.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-06 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
^Elitism defined in a single post.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-06 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Nah, more like blind tribalism.