[ SECRET POST #3261 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3261 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

beccaelizabeth had a smart take on this: Reading mode (https://beccaelizabeth.dreamwidth.org/3023335.html)

It's reading the films with a TV hat on.

And yeah, okay, we've been watching these since 2008, we've got a bunch of 'episodes' here, we've got a feeling like we're on the 7th season of something epic.

But they are not television.

On television, if you want to break up an epic friendship, you devote a bunch of episodes to that friendship.

In a movie, you have one scene at a party (show they have fun together), one scene of working together (in our genres, show they save each other's lives), and one guy say 'we're friends'.

That's how they set up Rhodey. I mean, in Iron Man, he hung out with Tony getting drunk, then he turned up to save him in the desert, and then we know that when they have a falling out, that's serious, that's one of Tony's best friends having a falling out right there.

[(Anonymous)]

This is why sometimes I prefer television, there's more time for character arcs and things like building friendships.

[likeadeuce]

Oh wow, yes, this makes sense. People are reading that line as if it's in the 'scenes from next week' of a TV show, which has different conventions from a movie trailer. Thanks!

[ketita]

Yeah, but what we *have* had is two movies of Steve and Tony not being particularly friendly at all vs. Steve's epic friendship with Bucky. So this claim doesn't work for me too well in this case.

[kaijinscendre]

Yeah. I don't get how hard it is to see the difference. Sam and Steve (or Sam and Bucky) don't have two movies that consist of them fighting each other constantly except for when they have to work together to save the world (or in AoU, clean up Tony's mess).

[ketita]

Yeah, that's what really annoys me about the setup. They're not coming from 'neutral' or new characters being introduced, they're set characters with a dynamic that is not particularly friendly.
Given that we KNOW going in that Civil War will break them up, an 'establishing friendship' scene feels pointless, and like nothing more than a setup for the breakup. It's not going to make you invested in their friendship. In fact, starting off CW with Tony and Steve being friendly would feel even faker, since we've already seen their lack of friendship pretty decently established.

[kaijinscendre]

Yeah, I honestly don't want to waste time with them setting up them bring friendly just for them to "break up".

[ketita]

It's such a waste of time movie-wise. If they wanted Civil War, I honestly do not get why they didn't just have Tony and Steve be friendlier in the previous movies. Nothing was stopping them! They could have had them be friends in AoU and then shown the breakup here! Steve and Tony have had two whole movies together, I don't understand why this movie should even have to START with setting up a friendship for them. It's just a complete characterization fail.

[ninety6tears]

Same. I mean maybe there will actually be some surprisingly poignant moment between them at the beginning of CW, but it would have to be really good to set us up for the sadness.

[kaijinscendre]

But all Steve and Tony have done for two movies if fight. You going to tell me that they are going to fight for Avengers 1 and 2, and then become super best friends for CA:CW so they can break up? And I am supposed to go, "Well, that makes sense!"