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[(Anonymous)]

In the UK, maybe so. I've seen articles about it and it seems really weird to me.

In the US, it's really not a thing to get bullied over. Maybe some teasing, but nothing serious like the stuff I've heard of happening in the UK.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Hello, yes, I am from the UK in fact. Also South Park IS NOT HELPING.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, but doesn't Prince Harry have red hair? How terribly discriminated against can redheads be when a member of the royal family is a ginger?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but I lived in England as an American, and redhead kids apparently do get bullied/beat up in schools, and there's a lot of scornful "ginger" jokes. Granted, it's not like racism, but is is definitely a thing regardless of the prince's hair.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Discriminated against is what I said, not bullied. Lots of people get bullied for some reason or another. I got bullied for being the smallest kid in the class and called "shrimp" and "baby," etc. How is being a ginger different from being the fat kid? The skinny kid? The one with the birthmark?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt, but I'm not sure what specific definition you're applying to "discriminated against". If someone is singled out because they have red hair, what do you call that? I feel like you're making a semantic argument, but I'm not sure why.

As for Harry being a ginger, well, that's a trick of genetics, not the royal family taking proactive measures to show that they're all about hair-diversity. He doesn't experience a lot of discrimination because he's a member of the royal family - period.

[(Anonymous)]

Discriminated against: suffers from the effects of systemic, government sanctioned bias, either by the loss of income, civil rights, or by experiencing physical violence. If gingers suffer from discrimination, it's probably no more than fat people, short people, people with birthmarks, etc. suffer from.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

FYI, general public consensus is that Diana was the last member of the royal family to be halfway attractive, and she married in. Kate Middleton is the best we have now, and it's the same deal. Most people think Charles, William and Harry are bloody hideous.

[(Anonymous)]

The US president is a black man. I'd imagine it works in a not dissimilar way.

[sarillia]

Yeah I accept that it happens but I don't even know what insults based on that sound like. I've never heard anything but good things about my hair my entire life.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Are you American? That's probably why.

People in the UK have this weird hang-up about redheads. I don't know why (not British myself, just have family there), but I suspect it has something to do with the historical tensions between England and Ireland (since the Irish have always been stereotyped as having red hair).

[sarillia]

Yup. I know it's a cultural difference, but it's just so different from my experience it seems bizarre.

[(Anonymous)]

remember that Annie was originally a red head in the comic and the musical?

at the time kids with red hair and freckles were deemed ugly, mostly because of discrimination against Irish immigrants, so she wouldn't have been "desirable" when it came to adoption.

this is why the modern adaption of making her black was so fitting.

[bur]

That's always struck me as really weird because a big trait of native Britains was red hair. There are writings from the Romans going on about the crazy naked redheads to the north and the redheaded Celtic tribes. Wales and Brittany (France, granted, but come on, they speak a Brittonic language) have higher instances of red hair because Wales was where the British held out the longest against the Anglo-Saxons, and Brittany is where they fled. Red hair is VERY British thing.

[(Anonymous)]

But the Anglo-Saxons came from the north of Germany! I think I read somewhere that their ruling class had "brown" hair while the commoners had "black" hair.

I'm of German and Scandinavian descent myself, and it's extremely weird to me to imagine Germanic peoples not having a few redheads mixed into the rest of the population, but apparently some people just want to be psychos about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but there's been several waves of settlement since then, pushing the red-haired tribes to the margins, particularly Scotland and Ireland. Therefore, red hair is weird and crazy and primitive.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow. This is all news to me. How strange, and utterly sucky for those who are being bullied because of that :(. I live in the U.S. and a couple close friends of mine have red hair, and a few good-natured jokes about "fiery redheads" here and there aside, nobody's ever bugged them about it.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

If it makes you feel better, I've never had it particularly bad, possibly because I moved to a fairly dull area as a child, and partly because I'm a stubborn asshole. Every time anybody tried to give me shit, I took to turning to my best friends, aghast, and yelling "

[(Anonymous)]

OP

(sorry, that was weird) yelling "I HAVE RED HAIR AND YOU NEVER TOLD ME? I THOUGHT YOU WERE MY FRIEND!!!!!!!!!" and so forth, which slightly mollified them.

So it usually comes as shouted half-arsed comments of "ginghk-arrrrrr," or "ginger pubes," and there's always a disproportionate interest in what colour your bloody pubes are, even from your friends. I think I might have even pulled one out to make one of my friends fuck off at one point. You tend to be vaguely fetishised by some, and perceived as "unconventionally attractive" at best by most. My mum said of my dad that she dated tall dark men, and blondes, and brunettes, but she never imagined herself falling in love with a short man with red hair, harharharhar. It's /unimaginable/. It's outside most people's realms of experience. My girlfriend finds herself vaguely attracted to most redheads now on principle; I don't think she's intentionally fetishising us, but that she's come to like my own hair so much, and see people who look like me so infrequently, that it reminds her of me and gives her a little kick every time.

Look, like I said, it's not the worst. But it's very othering, and it's starting to really piss me off that in adaptations of anything I like, the first thing to go is the red hair. David Jason played the red-haired(? I think - Pratchett seems to have unconsciously given a huge number of his early characters red hair) Rincewind with white hair, but obviously Sean Austin being cast as the heavily-coded Chinese Twoflower was much worse. And I just did a little research - I thought there had been a 'Mort' adaptation on Sky, and assumed his hair would have been the first thing to go. There hasn't so it hasn't, yet. But I did find out that in the same franchise, the completely sinister and somewhat childlike serial killer/assassin Mr Teatime, whose hair is undescribed in the books, has been given red hair...

[solticisekf]

sorry to correct you, but Teatime has blond hair in the movie.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Looks like a lighting thing - the show's lit fairly differently to the promo stuff, and in the promo stuff he seems to have pale red hair. Looks like the blue wash in the show makes it blonde, which must be what they were going for. *sigh* Not even the villains, huh.

[solticisekf]

well, at least you have Karen Gillan in Who.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, in the US being a redhead is pretty much glamorized, right of there with blondes.