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Re: Interesting Writing Group discussion

[(Anonymous)]

I think Sue-ness is determined not so much by their place in the story or what abilities they have but how the narrative itself treats them.

So to use your examples, Harry Potter isn't a Stu because while he ultimately succeeds he isn't exalted by the narrator. His failures aren't twisted so they can be glorified and his suffering isn't solely to make him seem more sympathetic to the audience. He's never presented as being perfect or better than other 'good' characters in the story.

I've tried to think of a character I think IS a Sue/Stu, but I'm kind of drawing ablank. The only one that's close that's coming to mind is Lori from the Walking Dead? She's really manipulative, has a scene where she's really sexist towards another woman on the show, and nearly every action she takes as a character is ultimately harmful to herself or the group. But the narrative seemed to constantly portray her as this wonderful angelic wife/mother who was just so perfect and amazing and you should definitely feel very sad that her life is so hard.

(IMO she doesn't really count as a Sue b/c I think this exaltation of her is due to Rick being the PoV char of the show, but I think it's up to personal interpretation.)

Re: Interesting Writing Group discussion

[(Anonymous)]

No Idea? how about Bella Swan? Sue If I've ever seen one. also masochistic stand-in for reader. Katpiss Evergreen seems not much different but I've neither read the books nor seen more that 2 movies so I can't really judge.

Re: Interesting Writing Group discussion

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
Bella's probably a pretty good example, though tbh I've never watched/read Twilight so idk for sure. Maybe Edward would be more apt? (with the creepy shit he does being glorified?)

Katniss didn't seem like much of a Sue when I watched the first movie, though. I didn't feel that the movie was trying to make you feel like she was the best thing since sliced bread and that all her faults should be forgiven, which I think is really the key to Sue-ness. Not that they're overpowered or the plot revolves around them to an unnecessary extent, but that you as the consumer should feel that he/she's just So Cool And Amazing And Just The Greatest.