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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-12-19 03:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #3272 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3272 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2015-12-19 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I disagree with a few points:

* Floyd was held back by men's sexist attitudes, not her own lack of ability, IMO.

* I'm not sure how Simone's murder is sexist. She didn't just "rebel" against her family, she betrayed them and endangered their lives by passing on information to the Kansas City gang. She's not fighting the patriarchy, her motives were purely selfish.

* I don't think that was Betsy's point. I don't think she's saying that having kids is the only thing that matters. You have to look at it in the context that Betsy is dying, she knows she's dying, and to her life is precious, not absurd. She'd like to see her child grow up and see how the world changes and live to a ripe old age with the man she loves, but she knows she probably won't get to do that. Betsy is basically in the exact position Camus is talking about-- she knows she's going to die, but she can't be flippant about it. It's not a joke, knowing that you'll probably go out slowly and suffering the whole time, and that your family will have to go on without you. That's what she's trying to tell Noreen.
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[personal profile] sabotabby 2015-12-19 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
That's how I felt at the time (at least re: Simone and Floyd) but the cumulative effect of having all the women's stories end up badly or sidelined, with Lou and Hank giving longwinded speeches about protecting women, and the narrative celebrating the restoration of order at the end, means that they all end up with sexist overtones even if that wasn't the original intent.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-19 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I can see why the cumulative effect might give the overall series that feel of sexism, but it doesn't retroactively change some of the specific examples you cited. That doesn't make any sense.
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[personal profile] sabotabby 2015-12-20 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, they presumably planned it out from beginning to end. It isn't actually based on a true story.