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⌈ Secret Post #3272 ⌋

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Comments

[sabotabby]

Like I said, it's all of them in combination, with nothing in the last episode challenging period attitudes. Individually, they all make sense; together, it becomes a theme.

[kaijinscendre]

Theme of what? That the 1970s was sexist?

[(Anonymous)]

Does that mean that there can be no shining examples of women having power and living life on their own terms unless they live in an era that isn't sexist? Which era is that exactly? Why were all of the female characters depicted as either powerless or inept?

I feel like the female characters had the PROMISE of being more, but they all fell flat in the end, just as they did in season 1.

[kaijinscendre]

Floyd was not powerless (at least no more powerless than every other criminal around). I never saw her as inept either. Why do you think she was?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Perhaps I was a bit too vehement in my comment. I didn't really feel these things until the last couple of episodes. There was just something...off about the way things wrapped up for many of the characters, mostly the females.

With Floyd, well. She went to the police and made a deal with them, which could be construed as similar to what Simone did - betraying/turning snitch on the criminal underworld. She seemed for the most part ineffectual and like she was grasping at power that was never going to be hers. One son didn't respect her position as head at all and was trying to usurp her, and the other one killed her granddaughter without consulting her about it. She was never in control.

[kaijinscendre]

I wasn't a huge fan of the final two episodes but I really did not get that about Floyd at all.

What she did was entirely different from what Simone did. The issue isn't betraying the "criminal underworld" the issue was betraying the family. Floyd did what she did to save her family (and to use the police to help take out some people). She was the leader in a time of great change in their family. It isn't her fault Otto is a sexist asshat. Bear may have killed Simone without telling her, but I don't see that as a show of her not being in control.

Considering she had Otto fucking everything up (over and over) she did the best she could.

[(Anonymous)]

By Otto, do you mean Dodd? I agree, she had a lot on her plate. And it's not that I didn't think she was great - she had some really compelling moments in the first half of the season.

And there's also the part where her husband fathered a bastard (Hanzee) with the Native American maid. I mean, that's obviously not her fault, but I just feel like she wasn't respected by anyone in her family. Would Bear have killed Simone in secret if his father was still in charge? I think she had remnants of power leftover from Otto and the family name, and she wielded it as best she could, but I don't know if she could have sustained control for much longer, if everyone hadn't died.

[kaijinscendre]

Shit yes. I meant Dodd.

Was it confirmed that Hanzee was his son? I know there were some fan theories about it but I did not think it was confirmed.

I think Otto would have killed Simone. But Bear did because he was mad that Simone was the reason Mike and the gang knew that the homestead would be unprotected.

I think with Dodd's death should would have a better chance of staying in control. Bear seemed to be ready to follow and support her. And I think everyone else would have followed Bear.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I didn't know that Hanzee being a Gerhardt was a fan theory, oops. I guess it just seems very convenient that we don't know why Hanzee is even working for the Gerhardts or his origin story, and they just happen to have a Native American maid who is age appropriate. But yeah, it was never explicitly stated.

(Feel free to ignore this, but there's a seriously great podcast on Fargo that brings up a lot of these topics. I highly recommend it, if you're into that sort of thing. Their episode on the finale is particularly interesting: http://baldmove.com/fargo/210-palindrome/)

[kaijinscendre]

I actually have that podcast downloaded! I just haven't gotten around to listening to the most recent episodes. :(

[(Anonymous)]

I really love Bald Move podcasts. Those dudes are awesome :D

[kaijinscendre]

I love their Walking Dead and Game of Thrones ones.

[(Anonymous)]

Same, especially since I totally agree with their opinions about The Walking Dead (and Fear The Walking Dead). I actually made a Bald Move/Watching Dead secret a while back. They are my go-to TV podcast.

[(Anonymous)]

"With Floyd, well. She went to the police and made a deal with them, which could be construed as similar to what Simone did - betraying/turning snitch on the criminal underworld."

Only if people really miss the point of those two situations, which are quite different. Floyd makes her deal with the police to protect her family in exchange for information about the North Dakota crime organizations. Simone betrayed her own family, and the only person who benefited (kinda) was herself. What's worse is that she did it more out of spite and rebellion than anything else, and it was highly hypocritical of her to express such contempt for her family's crimes when she was no better.

[sabotabby]

I just think period pieces walk a fine line between depicting or subverting beliefs of the era and endorsing them. Generally speaking, the show has made the characters conservative but the narrative progressive (see people dismissing Molly in S1, but she's of course right all along, or Reagan spouting good ol' boy reassurance and Lou shooting him down). I don't actually believe that Hawley is a sexist pigdog or anything; I think the storytelling failed and fell on the side of endorsement, conscious or otherwise, in a way that it didn't in previous nine episodes and in season 1. I can see how people might feel otherwise, but it left a bad taste in my mouth.