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I'm pretty comfortable saying there's something wrong if you mistrust women as a group and not men. It's likely based on the same stereotypes as dislike and hatred.

Or experiences? I distrust angry women but not angry men. Because my ex- stepmom was an abusive bitch.

Some women have very valid reasons to be angry sometimes. Your stepmom probably didn't, but what you've got there is still a prejudice.

But then you acknowledge it's based on experiences. You probably rationally realize angry women are not inherently more dangerous than angry men.

What if you distrust men, is that misandry?

It's likely based is not anything.

first, you can't know why someone distrusts somone else, and "It's likely based" is just like saying "I don't know but it's conveniant for me to think this about this person"

I agree that mistrust can come from hatred, but mistrust is not the same as hatred. I mistrust dogs. This does not mean I hate dogs. No I am not comparing women to dogs so drop that shit off right here (If you were thinking it if not, please accept my apologies) I am comparing mistrust to hatred.

It's less about the mistrust itself and more about treating a group that makes up half the world's population as though they can be judged by that trait. I think there's something wrong if you are attributing positive stereotypes to them too, instead of acknowledging the individuality and wildly varying character of all people.

It's not about being upset that people are thinking something bad about women. It's just that it is utterly nonsensical to me for someone to say "I don't trust women" when there is not a single thing that is true of all women.

that could simply be mis-informaton, ignorance, bad experiences, or run of the mill fear. Sure it's not healthy and not a good way to be, and certain;y not rational, but suggesting it's hatred is kinda unhelpful.

I never said it was hatred. I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Because I supported tying mistrust to a definition of misogyny that explicitly included things other than hatred? I don't get it.

Misogyny means hatred and dislike. Tying in mistrust just doesn't fit.

And given that misogynist is just about the worst thing you can be right now, Saying "People who mistrust women are misogynists" are not helping people who mistrust women see any reason to start trusting women.

My original question stands. Is mistrusting men misandist?

Sure, I'll say that it's misandrist to mistrust men as a group. I understand the impulse to judge all of them by past experiences with certain men, just like I do understand the impulse to judge all women based on past experiences. It's what people do. But it's also what needs to be fought.

I still think that the same stereotypes that lead to people hating and disliking women can lead to mistrusting them and since the fundamental problem is refusing to see people as individuals, those stereotypes are important when considering these definitions. And I still say it's ridiculous to judge whether or not someone is trustworthy based on their sex. You might as well judge them by their eye color. And yes, that goes for mistrusting men as a group too.

Past eras had beliefs that could be stated as "I do not trust a woman to think rationally" with the implication of that statement meaning all women.

That distrust is misogyny and it does not automatically come with hatred attached, as I could easily see a caring father of one of those past eras doing his best to keep his daughter from getting an education "to protect her delicate mind".

I think your idea of mistrust is too narrow and your idea of misogyny too attached to hatred.

And yes, if a woman is of the opinion "I don't trust ANY men! Even the ones who seem nice, BECAUSE THEY ARE MEN!", it is distrust and it is misandry.

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