[ SECRET POST #3278 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3278 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Scott Weiland, Stone Temple Pilots]


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[Super Smash Bros/Mario RPG]


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[Xena: Warrior Princess]


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[The Martian, The Force Awakens]


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08. [SPOILERS for Final Fantasy VII]



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09. [SPOILERS for Strange Empire]



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10. [SPOILERS for The Force Awakens]




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11. [WARNING for incest]
















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

What's the puppybase?

[(Anonymous)]

They're SF snobs that want more "serious" SF as long as it features gritty badass white men.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I figured it had something to do with that Sad/Rabid puppy clusterfuck.

Isn't Star Wars supposed to be right up their alley tho? Like it isn't SRS BZNS Sci Fi focused on social issues its people flying around in space ships shooting bad guys with lasers.

[(Anonymous)]

No it has a girl, a nigger, and a dago starring in it.

[(Anonymous)]

What's a dago?

[(Anonymous)]

Racial slur for an Italian.

[(Anonymous)]

... he's guatemalan-american tho

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

You think anyone who uses a slur like "dago" cares about specifics?

[(Anonymous)]

No, it is racist slur for a Spaniard, which was then applied to Portugee and later Southern Italians who were noticeably "dirty" white. Northern Italians were considered normal white. In any case the proper racial slur for an Italian is a Wop. Dago is only applied to the Eyeties by ignorant racists, Dago is always for the Spaniards.

[blitzwing]

Language doesn't work that way. The origin meaning doesn't change its actual meaning if its shifted in common usage.

[(Anonymous)]

It's still used for Spaniards and people of dago descent in the UK. It just expanded to include the wops too.

[(Anonymous)]

If I understand correctly, Star Wars isn't something they object to the existence of, but it's not their thing. It's insufficiently pseudointellectual. They would probably dismiss it as 'for the masses'.

[(Anonymous)]

Well if Star Wars isn't real Sci fi either then what the hell IS real Sci fi?

[philstar22]

Hard scifi. Star Wars has too much of a fantasy undertone for these type of people. Star Wars really is very cross-genre. That's actually one of the reasons I love it so much since I actually prefer fantasy to scifi.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

And maybe that's why I took to SW so well, because I'm more of a fantasy fan, though it was one of my starter pieces of fiction too, since I was a young child when RotJ first came out.

[philstar22]

I was born after them, but my dad showed me the OT when I was 8.

I used to think I was just a scifi fan as a kid, and then I started reading fantasy. And I realized that even with scifi, which I do love, what I'm interested in is characters and cultures and adventures and epic plotlines. I'm not interested in the science stuff and the "what the future might be like" speculation. I don't care how the space ships work, they're just a tool to me for telling a story.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's mostly the same for me. I like epic plots and if it happens in space ships, that fine, but it can easily happen on horseback too.

I have read a few hard sci-fi novels over the years (in fact the first non-children's novel I ever read was moderately hard sci-fi) but the science always feels very dry to me. Fantasy doesn't feel dry nearly as often, so I take that as my being less about hard science and more for story (and a bit of flashy effects).

[(Anonymous)]

Something they can use to sneer at the inferior people and SJWs with. Something with a white male lead, proving he is a Real Man[tm], just himself against the world and proving that only Real Men need to be leads of a film. It has to have a gloss of hard science on it, but not so much as they cannot understand it themselves, which can be used to intimidate the masses. It also has to be a blockbuster so they can claim the mass appeal and not niche genre label. It also has to be respectable and not something people take their kids to, because if a single child enjoys it then it means that it is a kid's film and they are terrified of enjoying something that might be seen as childish and not respectable.

The puppybase is very conflicted about what it wants out of Science Fiction. It has to cater for their need to have mass appeal without triggering their nerd cultural cringe, and also to be serious enough science fiction without being over their heads, and it has to cater to their obsession with Real Men being what they would call a Mary Sue character if they showed a woman being that resilient and ingenious. The Martian does that just fine.

[sabotabby]

I haven't seen The Martian but I have seen Puppy discussions and concur with your assessment. I've never heard the term "puppybase" before so thanks for that.

I understand their politics—I don't agree, mind you, but they're the opposite of mine so I can see where they're coming from—but their taste in literature has always befuddled me. They seem to dislike a lot of authors that I'd consider fairly traditional hard sci-fi or military sci-fi, like Scalzi or Leckie, in favour of this weird nostalgia for pulp that seems more along the lines of space opera or fantasy, while claiming that they want more hard sci-fi, and it did not make sense until I read your comment.

[(Anonymous)]

This is why the puppies have such a hate boner for Scalzi. They thought he was one of them, but then he turned out not to be. He suckered them and, horrifyingly, made them think beyond their own terms of reference and thus drew people away from their One True Path Of Heinlein and when confronted with the accusation, Scalzi had the temerity to laugh at them for the suggestion and did not care at all for the plight of the middle class white male. That is why they hate him so much.

[sabotabby]

God, I love Scalzi. Hah.

[(Anonymous)]

I was being half-sarcastic when I asked but this is actually pretty on point and probably the best summation of the movement I've read so thanks :P. I just figured the Martian had too many PoC and women in it for their taste.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, one is too many for the puppies. Unless it is an exotic East Asian women who is a non-speaking love interest, in a bikini, who does what the man tells them. The Martian does have a white male as its lead against the world (the world in question being Mars, of course) so that is probably close enough for them.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone sounds salty.