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in which, once again, we are reminded that the true menace facing fandom - and perhaps all of civilization - is the deadly threat of the SJW

Well more the never ending debate around whether they're good or bad for fandom. I like reading analyses from a social justice perspective because it gives me new ways to appreciate or understand a work and gets me thinking. But it feels like people are less interested in serious analysis and more interested in using social justice as a tool to justify their personal opinions on whether something is objectively good or bad.

If people are being idiots, ignore them. They're idiots.

There's a long difference between what you're saying here, and what anon is saying above about how all fans these days are Social Justice 101 college students looking for an excuse to criticize and tear down works and prevent anyone from enjoying them.

AYRT

...What?

http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1343735.html?thread=882554871#cmt882554871

Well...I mean that's what I'm saying? That I'm not tired of critical analysis per se, I'm just tired of the endless arguments over whether its contributing anything to fandom culture, and how people seem incapable of staying in their lanes when it comes to whether their squeeing/criticism is wanted.

Did I miss something?

Really? The SJW branding seems to have morphed from stupid college girls trying prove how down with the cause they are to anyone speaks of social justice because it harshes people's squee.

If there's one thing I resent Gamergate for above everything else, it's creating minority identities for white male members and using those identities to attack social justice. Now every time someone says something remotely critical of SJ, SJ types assume that person must actually be a white person. (I saw a Vivian James cosplayer harassed by people who assumed she must be a guy in drag, because obviously a real woman wouldn't dress a that character.)

Even if it was a guy in drag, they shouldn't have been harassed! What is wrong with people?

Lol I hope you're being sarcastic.
Sjw is literally just an insult for "somebody is saying something I don't like."
Anyone who takes the term seriously is a moron imo.

Nah, it's very clear what SJW is in terms of fandom. They are the ones screaming PROBLEMATIC and using that as a shield to attack everyone that likes something that makes them uncomfortable. Instead of staying in their lane, they make it their personal duty to harass someone into changing their opinion or deleting their blog.

I haven't met any pro-SJ person who is willing to sit down and calmly discuss their views. If they cared enough to inform instead of accuse, SJ might not always be followed by a W in the internet's opinion.

Lol in my experience, people always use the "sjw" insult whenever anybody says something slightly political that they don't like. My friend once got called one for talking about her personal history with abuse and rape, and I once got called one because I was uncomfortable being around homophobic people. Lmao I also once got called one because I said rapists were worst then stupid internet trolls. You can get called an "omg evil sjw!!" for pretty much anything these days.

DA. Before gamergate, SJW was used by activists against slacktivists. It basically meant the same thing White Feminist means now. A fake activist who continually talks over and silences people who actually have the oppression they're claiming to champion.

I've never seen it used like that. SJW is always used to describe an internet slacktivist who harasses others to conforming to their opinion.

I don't know your friend or their views, but if they were shaming others and acting like their opinion was the only valid one, then maybe they deserve to be called a sjw.

You don't go to reddit, I take it.

Really? Because I know several people who are for social justice (without being SJWs) who would be willing to sit down and inform instead of accusing. Granted I'm also a 40-year-old who does volunteer work so my circles might not be the same as a standard fandom person? IDK.

(And this is not to say that SJWs don't exist, or that the extremists who only accuse all of the time and can make fandoms/Tumblr a toxic place don't exist. They absolutely do. But there are also rational/moderate people who care about social issues as well. I really just want to sit some of these extreme SJWs down and explain to them that the world isn't black or white, but that would be an exercise in futility.)

I know several people who are for social justice (without being SJWs) who would be willing to sit down and inform instead of accusing.

I think that's one of the big things that frustrates me about a lot of SJ debate, the mindset that explaining things = bad. There's an understandable motivation behind it - people don't want to have to explain the same damn topics over and over again, especially in an age where the questioner can EASILY find the information they're asking about with a simple internet search. But it's gotten to the point where if you've decided, of your own accord, to have a conversation with someone explaining basic concepts, you're suddenly "hand-holding" and catering to privileged people.

I'm just kind of sick of feeling like some kind of bad person because I like talking and explaining stuff like this to people.

SJW in theory is not bad, but the practice is horrible. They harass innocent people for setting one toe out of line but don't use their energy to attack legitimately bad people. They are completely unsympathetic that they suicide bait teenagers all the time and I've even seen a couple happy when they heard an artist committed suicide because 'one less scum' or whatever shit.

That is why people hate SJW. Not because of what they preach, but the cruel way they do it.

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