[ SECRET POST #3292 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3292 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[blitzwing]

if shared publicly, has the capacity to influence people's perspectives on certain major issues in negative and potentially harmful ways,

And that's the crux of it nonny. You can't protect people from ideas that might influence them. You have to recognize that they're adults and can come to the right conclusion even when exposed to certain ideas. Despite books being sold that are blatantly white-supremacist, anti-women, anti-gay, etc, we have moved forward and support for those ideas are in decline.

Condescendingly protecting people from potentially harmful ideas is not the way to progress. You're just a misanthrope masquerading as benevolent. You have no faith in other humans, and expect them to be the worst they could possibly be.

[(Anonymous)]

You have to recognize that they're adults and can come to the right conclusion even when exposed to certain ideas.

And you would be arguing the same thing if what we were talking about was fanfic that was negatively glaringly mischaracterizing people of color? Or gay people? Or mentally ill people? You would still be sitting here arguing that to criticize such fanfic is "policing" or is "shaming"?

Please. Your logic here is painfully flawed, to the point where I don't even know where to start.

Interesting, also, that no one has responded to the point I made about how this issue is perceived by people outside of fandom. That is, outside of the warpey fun-house echo chamber environment that fandom sometimes creates on certain issues like this one. Seriously, try running it past one of your (kind, open-minded, entirely non-misanthropic) friends some time. Ask them whether a story in which one character they like rapes another character they like and it's supposed to be hot, is a story they think it's cool for people to be sharing around and praising.

See what they think.

[blitzwing]

Straw-man much? I support your right to criticize fic tropes, or even individual fics. What I do not support are actions aimed to stop people from publishing/sharing said fics. You have blatantly said that you are against people sharing said fics.

And you would be arguing the same thing if what we were talking about was fanfic that was negatively glaringly mischaracterizing people of color? Or gay people? Or mentally ill people?

I support the right of people to publish anything they want. Yes, that includes ones that mischaracterize groups I belong to. If someone wants to write bi/pan people as liars or sex-crazy, that doesn't make me happy but I believe they have a right to share that work if they wish. I've read books that reveled in and celebrated murdering people like me.

Seriously, try running it past one of your (kind, open-minded, entirely non-misanthropic) friends some time. Ask them whether a story in which one character they like rapes another character they like and it's supposed to be hot, is a story they think it's cool for people to be sharing around and praising.

Most of my friends are as heavily anti-censorship as I am, and some are even more so. I don't know why you think I have a bevy of friends that would be upset at people praising an unrealistic erotica story.

[(Anonymous)]

Straw-man much?

Lol, project much?

You're misconstruing my argument, and you're doing it so blatantly I find it hard to believe you're not doing it on purpose. Nowhere in any of my numerous comments have I said I want to deny people the right to publish. I've merely said I take issue with the fact that they do. Which is to say, I. Don't. Like. It. I. Wish. They. Wouldn't.

If you don't see the difference there you have little grasp of nuance - which is a pity because nuance can be a vital part of debate.

Most of my friends are as heavily anti-censorship as I am, and some are even more so.

No. I don't mean you should ask them if it has the right to be published. I mean, ask them whether they think it's cool, good, a positive thing? Do they think it's constructive or even neutral, as a piece of work that has entered our culture and is contributing its voice to our culture?