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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-01-10 03:35 pm

[ SECRET POST #3294 ]


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[personal profile] dreemyweird 2016-01-10 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. This is what I find hilarious about the "I want more historically accurate bigotry" sentiment. Those who express it usually know precious little about history.
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[personal profile] ozaline 2016-01-10 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I find it especially hilarious when it gets applied to Captain America in the comics fandom.

"He's from the 40's of course he'd be a raging bigot if he was real."

"But he wasn't written as one in the 40s???"

(Anonymous) 2016-01-11 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
Didn't Steve grow up in a very liberal part of NY anyway? Adding onto the fact that he was poor for most of his life pre-serum, it wouldn't make sense for him to be super conservative.
A big part of Steves character is him being an actual good person with good morals who isn't afraid to sand up to bullies. Making him a bigot makes no sense.

Also, people in the past have written him as a bigot before. It's the called the Ultimates, and there's a reason why it's known as being one of the worst comic series of all times.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-11 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly. You're willing to accept a billionaire battling evil in high-tech armor he built himself and a Norse Deity who flies by spinning his hammer really fast, but you draw the line at Steve Rogers not being a raging bigot?!

I don't know how much comic book history is part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but I like to pick and choose and combine canon. In some comic depictions, Steve's parents were Irish Immigrants and like many, were Catholic. So my head canon is he grew up hearing all the stereotypes against the Irish or the Catholic or just Immigrants in general, because too often in US History, our attitude towards immigrants is "We like the cheap labor you provide, but we don't like you and don't expect to be treated like you're a person who matters."

Being a reasonably bright kid, Steve compares the stories he was hearing from outsiders to the people he grew with at home and saw everyday in his neighborhood (again, my head canon decided that the neighborhood he lived in, was the kind where if you lived there, either you're an immigrant starting out or you have absolutely nothing left to your name). It didn't take kid!Steve long to figure out that "Hey, those stories don't describe my parents or neighbors," and from there, made the connection that if he can't believe what people say about the Irish or about immigrants, he also can't believe what people say about Blacks or Asians as well. He'd make the connection that the stories bigots tell are true about some people of that group, but not all of them and one story can't possibly encompass an entire group of people.

But like I said that's my personal head canon. YMMV