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fandomsecrets2016-01-10 03:35 pm
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Re: Your notp(s)
(Anonymous) 2016-01-11 01:53 am (UTC)(link)I also think that it depends what the positive trait is for an evil character and what the canon is. There are villains in other canons that I can see having good traits. I can see Saruman being decent back in the day. Osse was a step away from being Sauron but his love for his wife basically saved him. But Sauron does not have good traits. He is Melkor-lite. He wants to destroy and twist anything that's living to make a mockery of the Valar's and Eru's good work.
I don't think canon is what you think it is. We don't know how Melkor reacts when Sauron screws up. We don't know that Gothmog didn't like looking badass and scary. We don't know that there aren't other maiar who are allowed to keep their fair forms or that Sauron only keeps his so he can keep manipulating people for Melkor's ends. I feel that Sauron is the second in command because he's the most powerful and usually gets his job done. If something happened to him, I don't see Melkor caring any more than he would if a good sword broke. Sauron is a means to an end.
And I don't recall reading anything about Sauron trying to get Melkor back after the First Age. I recall him using Melkor's name, but why wouldn't you? It furthers Sauron's agenda. I don't have a problem with "evil" characters having positive traits if that's consistent with canon. But Melkor and Sauron are more caricatures than characters. When I say they are evil's embodiment, then that doesn't leave room for any good. Evil characters can have good traits but evil itself cannot because it's evil. These two are the latter so they cannot have good traits to be who they are. Like I said, there might be a little wiggle-room with Sauron but I think the only thing that attracts him to Melkor is Melkor's thirst for power and dominion. When he's gone, Sauron is happy to have that for himself. He only doesn't challenge Melkor because he's not powerful enough to and serving Melkor achieves his own ends but if they had won, Melkor would've ended up killing Sauron (or Sauron would've tried a coup) because there is no trust or love between them. There can't be to be who they are.
Re: Your notp(s)