[ SECRET POST #3295 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3295 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

That ... was not how I read the roof scene. At all.

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ayrt

How do you read it then?

Honestly interested because until S4 comes out different interprations can be possible and it seems to be one of the things S4 will be dealing with.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't read his (apparent) suicide as an act of depression or desperation. He had elements of those things in his demeanor, though whether they were real or not is as questionable as anything else with him, but overall he seemed more manic, giddy, triumphant than anything. Having the time of his life because for once this was a game that was going all the way, against an opponent who put the risk right back in Moriarty's own face. The suicide was a way to win, not because he was desperate but to prove that he could and would go all the way, that he was willing and able to go as far and farther than Sherlock.

Discounting the possibility that the suicide was faked and that the whole scene was yet another performance on his part, if that was his real self on display there, I saw more malice, triumph, enjoyment, effervescent determination, and ... I'm not sure how to say it, but a disregard for life, even his own, except as a piece towards the winning of a game. There was a certain amount of existential angst under it, him knowing that he didn't really value even his own life, but I wouldn't have described him as depressed.

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ayrt

Yes, the big question is of course if his suicide was staged or not. The answer of this question will change how this scene should be viewed.

But the way I see it now, Moriarty really was in a stage of depression. Because he felt alone, unable to connect with anyone. For him, manipulating people was easy, because they were not clever enough to see him. But he wanted to be seen, as manipulating people itself was not the fun thing. The fun thing was interacting with someone intelligent enough to see through Jim and thus challenging him.

That's why he was so happy to find Sherlock. He finally had found an equal playbuddy. Or so it seemed. Because Sherlock disappointed him too as he was so fixated on the game that he forget the person behind it.

Hence Jim's relieve when he ralized that Sherlock really was alike him, "not one of the angels".

And I always interpreted Moriarty more nihilistic than sadistic. He just didn't care anymore. Manipulating people was easy and not a challenge, so why bother? After all, he "doesn't like to get his hands dirty".

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with sections of this, as far as it goes. I agree that Moriarty wanted to be seen, I agree that he wanted and was delighted to have found an equal playmate in Sherlock. But that's part of why I don't think his suicide, if it was real, came from depression. Or not an immediate depression, anyway, although you can argue for an overall ennui and boredom with life that made suicide an option that he could cheerfully consider. But the motivation in the moment wasn't depression, it was victory. Him putting that gun in his mouth was him saying 'I can play this game better than you can, and I am ready to go all the way'. He just wanted to win that badly, because Sherlock was the first time winning was something he actually had to fight to achieve.