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(Anonymous) 2016-01-12 02:39 am (UTC)(link)Yeah, I think part of the reason I personally gravitated towards MakoHaru too was because of how much Rin irritated me in season 1. I feel like he actually got a little better (because of Nitori, ironic since everyone seems to hate this ship, but seeing him actually drop the asshole attitude to talk to Nitori about something painful endeared me to him a bit), but by then I was just completely sold on MakoHaru, and thankfully the canon didn't disappoint on that front for my personal tastes. :)
I'm cool with some rival ships, but like your conversation with the other anon on this topic, I generally need to have some sort of friendship/mutual respect/??? there for it to work. McKay/Shepard is a good example, and Kotetsu/Barnaby. I also ship Kageyama/Hinata like burning, because I think watching their rivalry-turned-friendship is really adorable. There has to be a friendly substance there for me. Rivals for the sake of being rivals never really clicked for me. I'm the Sengoku Basara (well, one of them? Seems there are a few of us running around here!) anon and it's one of the reasons Masamune/Yukimura never appealed to me despite there being enough for a lot rival shippers. I just...couldn't get into that versus Masamune's incredible trust and reliance on Kojuurou. (Depending on how much one wants to bring the real Date Masamune's life into that canon too, Kojuurou is basically the one person Masamune was able to count on for a significant portion of his life.)
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I agree, it's so much easier to ship people who already have the foundations of a great relationship. When two characters have history together it piques my interest and most the time makes the pairing seem more likely to me.
There are certainly rival pairings that work, but so often when I see two characters in fandom hate each other, or irritate each other, I just feel like there's no possible way they would ever want to touch each other in a non-violent way.
Kageyama/Hinata is my favorite Haikyuu!! pairing. It's so predictable, but I ate their relationship up. There is something to say about two characters who start off not liking each other, then gradually grow close. Haikyuu!! did a lovely job of showcasing that.
Don't know the last anime you mentioned, but I understand.
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(Anonymous) 2016-01-12 05:36 am (UTC)(link)Rin was loads better in S2, imo. (Probably because then his ex showed up and started being a massive dick to Haru, and he had seemed to let go some of his anger, so he wasn't so frustrating to watch. You couldn't have both Rin and Sou being hostile at the same time!) He's still my least favorite major character, though. (Fav is probably Rei.)
Haha, I agree with your interpretation of season 2 of Free!. Honestly I think both seasons had really shitty writing at times and all the anons above thread arguing over 'season 2 is crap' and 'season 1 was so much better', all of them are ridiculous except for one anon who basically called them on it and said something like 'both seasons were an excuse to stare at pretty shirtless swimmer boys and it shows writing wise'. That I agree with. :P Call me a heathen but I don't feel there's any real "precious canon" to protect here, the entire series was pretty much moving fanservice, which really cost it the plot at times. (Rin taking Rei's spot in the relay had me groaning at the horribleness, and it's one of the reasons I never understand people who champion season 1.)
I agree, it's so much easier to ship people who already have the foundations of a great relationship. When two characters have history together it piques my interest and most the time makes the pairing seem more likely to me.
Exactly. I feel like when characters have the foundations of a good relationship it more easily allows me personally to see them as romantic/sexual.
Kageyama/Hinata is my favorite Haikyuu!! pairing. It's so predictable, but I ate their relationship up. There is something to say about two characters who start off not liking each other, then gradually grow close. Haikyuu!! did a lovely job of showcasing that.
I feel like Kageyama and Hinata actually subverted the typical "rival ship" thing a bit. Like they didn't drag their rivalry on for forever, they were at odds at first but quickly developed a way to work with and rely on one another, which in turn fed their slowly building friendship.
Don't know the last anime you mentioned, but I understand.
Sengoku Basara? Lemme see if I can expand a bit on that for you. My OTP for that series is Kojuurou/Masamune. It is the juggernaut pairing but only because it's basically impossible to ignore how much they mean to one another. Masamune is a cocky young daimyo who lost his right eye to smallpox when he was young, and he doesn't really trust people. Except for Kojuurou, who he calls his "right eye" (Masamune is known as "The One Eyed Dragon" and Kojuurou is "The Right Eye Of The Dragon"). Masamune trusts Kojuuru to "cover his back" (essentially his blind spot) whenever they're in battle. At one point he basically confirms that the only reason he's where he is now is because of Kojuurou. ("I'm a lucky guy!" is exactly what he says while gripping Kojuurou's shoulder.)
Masamune/Yukimura is my NOTP, and it's more of a "typical rival pairing". They're on opposite sides in a war to unify the country, and while they definitely respect one another, it's made pretty clear that they want a fight to the death at one point, to truly figure out who is the strongest one between them. Call it a squick, but I feel like too many people forget that this is their eventual endgame. Masamune comes close to actually killing a severely weakened Yukimura in a rage at one point, and is stopped only because Kojuurou interferes because he feels Masamune would regret killing Yukimura in anything other than honourable combat. Like...ehhh that just isn't sexy to me, like "yes my
boyfriendtactician had to stop me from killing you just now but we should totes bone".Plus, I must admit I'm partial of Kojuurou/Masamune too because I'm a huge history nerd, and those two are basically "real world canon". They were massively inseparable, Masamune's own soldiers were jealous of the preferential treatment he gave Kojuurou. And Kojuurou was just as loyal, giving back a tamura (a plot of land) that Toyotomi Hideyoshi had gifted him because he wanted to prove his loyalty to Masamune by staying under his command, instead of becoming a daimyo himself. He went as far as to offer to kill his firstborn son because Masamune's wives and concubines had not yet given him a son. (Masamune refused the offer.) They were a part of one another's lives from Kojuurou's teens and Masamune's adolesence all the way up until Kojuurou's death when he was elderly from diabetes complications. Masamune was a wreck when Kojuurou died, so much so that he locked himself away in his room for three days and refused to open it for anyone, he wouldn't eat or drink, he just wept.
So yeah, knowing what I do about those two, and knowing that Sengoku Basara sought to show that deep bond between them? It feels like cheating to ship anything else! :P
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