[ SECRET POST #3299 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3299 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/fcugaXw.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

You're not alone. I feel the same. More is better, imo.

[(Anonymous)]

Or maybe they just don't fucking like it.

[solticisekf]

didn't know liking all the books and movies for these fandoms is posible. Like, at all. I don't think you include ST novels or SW and LotR animated staff here...

[(Anonymous)]

I enjoy it too.

[elaminator]

I don't think people are just parroting what they've heard, I believe a lot of people genuinely dislike adaptions; that's their right, too. To some extent I even get it; you want to see the thing you love presented in a way you feel is respectful and authentic, and if too much changes it might start to feel like something other than the original. Mostly, I'm okay with that too. The only series in this secret I'm not a big fan of is HP, and there's no hate, I'm just not as enthusiastic about it.

And it is possible to have problems with something and still enjoy aspects of it. On my prequel rewatch I realized my opinions had changed, but despite that I still liked TPM. (Yes, I said that.) Even though I feel the last two Hobbit films were kind of hot messes, I still found things to like. I'm still glad they were made.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

And I like TPM too! It's a fun movie with some great visuals, a bitchin' score, the glorious Gui-Gon Jinn, and a universe that feels really big.

[sarillia]

I should rewatch it now that I've read some of the books and gotten to know Qui-Gon through those.

[elaminator]

Yes! I honestly didn't hate the story either. Padme had a great role and was given plenty to do, the music was absolutely gorgeous, it looked nice, and Qui-Gon Jinn is one of my very favorite parts of the prequels (though Qui-Gon in addition to young!Obi-Wan was just amazing). Then there's Maul...who might not be the most interesting villain, but looked so unique and cool. The lightsaber battles were some of the best in the entire universe, as far as I'm concerned.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I definitely agree on The Hobbit and also appreciate them existing, because they make fertile ground for RP and fix-it ideas (one of my current RP plotlines was based on disliking the Kíli/Tauriel plot in DoS).

[elaminator]

I'm just glad that the fandom at large writes lots of 'nobody dies' AU's. I love the canon story and wouldn't change it for anything, but in this fandom I do like to see everyone get a happy ending. At least once in a while.

If the films hadn't been made, you're right, there wouldn't be even a fraction of the fic.

[dwell_ondreams]

Same.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that there's a wide range of reasons people dislike adaptions and that they can't all be treated as the same thing. For me, I was all set to love the Hobbit movies. Why wouldn't I? LOTR is mostly well loved, even by most book fans, and the Hobbit was set to be made by the same people who made LOTR and to be connected to the older trilogy. Regular movie-goers and film critics blasted the first movie for being too slow but most LOTR fans really enjoyed the first Hobbit film. I think the "hate" for the Hobbit movies was earned by the mediocre quality of the later films. Same for the SW prequels. If the movies were good, people wouldn't be so down on them, regardless of how many changes to the original there were.

My personal belief is that if an adaption is good, people will get over changes. Changes to the book that help the movie will be accepted. Lots of people were up in arms about the change to Wolverine in the X-men movies but most people now think Hugh Jackman is a great choice. There will always be purists who nitpick, but when it's fandom-wide, it usually means there's a weakness in the adaption as a movie itself, not just as an adaption.

And that's just one reason. Star Trek the movie (I've only sort of seen the first one) was a pretty good popcorn flick. I enjoyed both movie and show but they do feel like loving two very different universes. I think a lot of people get defensive because SW vs ST is a thing and SW is bigger. The movie felt a lot more SW than ST. The movie was also probably seen by more people than the show, and it's upsetting when the thing that you love is mischaracterized so badly and enters the mainstream as objective fact. It's also upsetting because you can't just watch the movie and move on. Movie!characterization is in the fanart and in the fic. If you're part of the fandom, you're constantly reminded of the changes and it doesn't help that a lot of people don't tag very well.

I think it also takes some people a little bit of time to get used to change. For Star Wars, it's been 10 years where people were falling in love with an entire expanded universe and then very suddenly they were told all of it wasn't canon anymore and there wasn't going to be any more of the stuff they'd come to love. I think, overall, most SW fans have come to embrace the new film and the new direction. But I don't blame people for being a disappointed that a book character they'd come to love was never going to be realized on the big screen.

I don't think it's a bandwagon thing. I think that "hate" for adaptions often comes from understandable places so it's not weird that it would be common among a sub-group of fans. One fan might be able to articulate it better than others, so that might be parroted, but I think that if "hate" persists, it's usually because people feel genuinely disappointed in some way and they'll keep bringing it up because it keeps being true for them.

[(Anonymous)]

There are any number of reasons why I like some adaptations and violently dislike others.

I loved the LotR movies, the odd quibble aside. I liked the first Hobbit movie, the odd quibble aside, and was actually quite invested in the expanded take on what had happened to the dwarves and their view because of it. Then the second and third Hobbit movies happened and just ... no. For any number of reasons, not least horrible pacing, random inserted subplots, and characterisation that I just couldn't get on board for.

I loved Granada Holmes for being relatively close to the original, deeply enjoyed the Downey movieverse for being fun and slashy and not taking itself seriously at all, and violently loathed Sherlock for taking itself very seriously indeed, having characterisation that again I was NOT fond of, and just generally feeling shallow and OTT.

I adored the musical of Les Mis, because goddamnit it's stirring and catchy and amazing, didn't mind the movie of the musical at all, and hated the 1998 Geoffrey Rush movie entirely because of one scene at the end that butchered Valjean's characterisation.

I actually like the movie version of V for Vendetta more than the comic book, although I recognise that it majorly changed the theme and tone of the book. I just, well, like the theme/tone of the movie better.

I have enjoyed more or less every screen entry to the Star Wars universe thus far (if some more shallowly than others), and a significant portion of the EU, though that is considerably more hit-and-miss.

I violently detest the new Star Trek movies, largely for being grimdark and shallow and again with the characterisation I just don't want to see (also Khan, never letting that go, NEVER letting that go), although I love any and all Bones scenes and am almost tempted by the trailer for the new one.

It largely depends on the adaptation, but I think characterisation is a major button for me, particularly when it's characters I adored in the original, and I'm also not inclined to like major mood changes in a darker direction (though I'll often enjoy a lighter take) or clumsy manipulation of the original for cheap angst. And some of them are just badly done (again, last two Hobbit movies).

[(Anonymous)]

Being "attached to something" is a perfectly valid reason not to want to watch a variation of it, imo. It doesn't make somebody a bad fan; it makes them an obsessed fan, just not of the new thing.

Or, iow, the definition of a "fan".

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I'm with you OP. I see the nitpicking, and often I can see what they're saying but... I don't resent the faults they bring up enough to hate the adaption/sequel/remake. That may be because I don't feel a need to put that much energy into hating something, but I also think it is a big part that I can often see the good side of the adaption/etc that I don't resent the changes.

Also, when I do find threads debating what is wrong with an adaption, while I can see the point critics are making, I get a bit bummed out because I don't understand how they can be so passionate in their dislike, but again, that's my tendency not to invest passion into hatred of something.

[iggy]

There are definitely adaptations and reboots that I like. Many of them, in fact! There are even adaptations and reboots I like more than the originals. I actually love Indiana Jones 4 for example.

That being said, I abhor the Harry Potter films and it has nothing to do with what-people-on-the-internet-say and everything to do with my own personal feelings and opinions.